Snopek Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Well now that it’s too quiet in here, I think we need some Red Sox board posters to exchange stubborn and definitive statements with. There are more subjective arguments to be had! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Snopek said: Well now that it’s too quiet in here, I think we need some Red Sox board posters to exchange stubborn and definitive statements with. There are more subjective arguments to be had! That was interesting for about 3 volleys. Then the "our #15 prospect is like any other organization's generational #1 talent" BS kicks in, and it's just another braying sports dude wish-casting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Boston unlikely to go after Cease, as they want more controllable pitchers https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/12/with-chris-sale-traded-whats-next-for-red-sox-more-subtraction-possibly.html?utm_campaign=masslivesports&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, WestEddy said: That was interesting for about 3 volleys. Then the "our #15 prospect is like any other organization's generational #1 talent" BS kicks in, and it's just another braying sports dude wish-casting. I enjoyed reading the back and forth and hearing the Baltimore perspective from a couple intelligent/non meatball fans, but ultimately it comes down to they value their guys more than we do, just like we value our guy more than they do. Typical fandom stuff. No one’s necessarily right or wrong, but when no one’s budging on their views, it just becomes using different words to make the same arguments over and over. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, fathom said: Boston unlikely to go after Cease, as they want more controllable pitchers https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/12/with-chris-sale-traded-whats-next-for-red-sox-more-subtraction-possibly.html?utm_campaign=masslivesports&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter Likely disinformation. After all even more control = more cost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, fathom said: Boston unlikely to go after Cease, as they want more controllable pitchers https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/12/with-chris-sale-traded-whats-next-for-red-sox-more-subtraction-possibly.html?utm_campaign=masslivesports&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter Thief of joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBooneLoganEra Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 27 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Thief of joy Cease, Soroka, Fedde, Kopech, (Flexen, Nastrini, Shuster). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Yeah, 2 years isn't controllable. It's a rental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I'm going to head to that Orioles board to attack them on Soxtalk's behalf. I got your back Jason. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 52 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Yeah, 2 years isn't controllable. It's a rental. What do you think the return for a Cease trade would look like? How many top 100 prospects, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ron883 said: What do you think the return for a Cease trade would look like? How many top 100 prospects, etc.? Maybe one back end T100, an interesting guy and a couple lotto ticket players. So, like Ortiz would be the best player coming back from the Orioles. Edited December 31, 2023 by baseball_gal_aly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Maybe one back end T100(in the 75-100 range) , an interesting guy and a couple lotto ticket players. Giolito got that for two months Don’t let balta and the Orioles posters undervalue Cease. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, fathom said: Don’t let balta and the Orioles posters undervalue Cease. I don't get that whole mindset. So many articles have been written by dudes who make a living tracking and caring about this stuff. And they surmise the price for Cease will be 2 top 100's maybe one right behind that, and a lotto ticket. I haven't seen anything written anywhere that shows grave concern about a possible injury or old age that skewed Cease's 2023. It's all about mechanics that are easily worked on, and 2022 is a view of what his ceiling is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobby Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, WestEddy said: I don't get that whole mindset. So many articles have been written by dudes who make a living tracking and caring about this stuff. And they surmise the price for Cease will be 2 top 100's maybe one right behind that, and a lotto ticket. Can you point me to these articles? I’m interested to see what objective third parties have said. I haven’t seen too much written about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Frobby said: Can you point me to these articles? I’m interested to see what objective third parties have said. I haven’t seen too much written about it. No. Look it up on MLBTR. I read one there, but their search function is chaos. Sports Guy and James Fox just had a conversation where they both agreed on a probable package. Every blogger for multiple teams has written a column on possible Cease trade packages. Really, Google "Cease trade package" and read away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 6 hours ago, Dick Allen said: So why blast me for not understanding or liking the strategy? They trade Cease, while it's a tank move, at least what you get back you can expect to be good. There is not 1 playet Getz has signed or traded for yet, you can EXPECT to be good Right now it looks like they are trying to be historically bad. Not trying to blast you - more just saying, “yup, we all get it and know.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobby Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: No. Look it up on MLBTR. I read one there, but their search function is chaos. Sports Guy and James Fox just had a conversation where they both agreed on a probable package. Every blogger for multiple teams has written a column on possible Cease trade packages. Really, Google "Cease trade package" and read away. I did, and found a Sports Illustrated piece saying the White Sox should “jump at” a package of Joey Ortiz, Kyle Stowers, Justin Armbruester, Trace Bright, and Jud Fabian. https://www.si.com/mlb/orioles/news/could-this-orioles-trade-package-land-white-sox-ace-cease-brad9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, fathom said: Giolito got that for two months Don’t let balta and the Orioles posters undervalue Cease. They're getting a price for 2023 Cease not 2022 Cease. Nobody is paying 2022 prices because he had his worst year since he was a rookie instead of backing up his 2022 with another CY caliber season. I mean really, he's only had one good year. His 2021 and 2023 are Javy Vazquez esque. Edited December 31, 2023 by baseball_gal_aly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: They're getting a price for 2023 Cease not 2022 Cease. Pessimismus aeternus regnat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox72 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Frobby said: I did, and found a Sports Illustrated piece saying the White Sox should “jump at” a package of Joey Ortiz, Kyle Stowers, Justin Armbruester, Trace Bright, and Jud Fabian. https://www.si.com/mlb/orioles/news/could-this-orioles-trade-package-land-white-sox-ace-cease-brad9 Touché…..almost. Check out the author… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, Frobby said: I did, and found a Sports Illustrated piece saying the White Sox should “jump at” a package of Joey Ortiz, Kyle Stowers, Justin Armbruester, Trace Bright, and Jud Fabian. Oh, so you found one guy on the entire internet, and strangely enough, he supports your view. That's great. Well, if the Orioles are so elite at drafting and developing players, it's weird they would even waste their time on a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: They're getting a price for 2023 Cease not 2022 Cease. Nobody is paying 2022 prices because he had his worst year since he was a rookie instead of backing up his 2022 with another CY caliber season. I mean really, he's only had one good year. His 2021 and 2023 are Javy Vazquez esque. 4.5 and 3.7 fWAR seasons aren't good? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ron883 said: 4.5 and 3.7 fWAR seasons aren't good? Barely worth anything on the market apparently to some Edited December 31, 2023 by Sleepy Harold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, ron883 said: 4.5 and 3.7 fWAR seasons aren't good? Chris Flexen could do that in his sleep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox72 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Oh, so you found one guy on the entire internet, and strangely enough, he supports your view. That's great. Well, if the Orioles are so elite at drafting and developing players, it's weird they would even waste their time on a trade. To be fair, Frobby has been a reasonable poster. Don’t indict him with Sports Guy’s arrogance. I don’t think he intended to post an article from an Orioles’ fan on Fansided. I’m choosing to believe he was focusing on the “SI” portion. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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