South Side Hit Men Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 https://www.southsidesox.com/2023/12/31/23987994/in-memoriam-the-chicago-white-sox-we-lost-in-2023-gary-peters-dave-nicholson-lee-richard-cotton-nash Major League Level White Sox 1/26 Gary Peters (85) 1959-1968 2/25 Dave Nicholson (83) 1963-1965 3/30 Fred Klages (79) 1966-1967 4/14 Dave Frost (70) 1977 4/24 Dennis Ribant (81) 1968 5/7 Deacon Jones (89) 1962, 1963, 1966 Also White Sox Scout 1968-1975 & 2008 5/23 Cotton Nash (80) 1967 Also Played for the Los Angeles Lakers, San Francisco Warriors of the NBA and Kentucky Colonels of the ABA 8/6 Lee Richard (74) 1971-1975 First MLB Hitter to face a clocked over 100 MPH pitch (Nolan Ryan 100.8 MPB 1974) 9/28 Bob Priddy (83) 1968-1969 11/3 Dennis Higgins (84) 1966-1967 Joe Crede's cousin. 11/17 Lou Skizas (91) 1959 Crane Tech HS Graduate 12/2 Joe Hicks (90) 1959-1960 12/6 Dave Wehrmeister (71) 1985 Lyons Township HS Graduate Additional White Sox Connected Losses 1/2 Vince Harris (55) Minor Leagues 1986-1988 4th Round 1986 Draft 2/7 Andrew McKenna (93) White Sox Chairman 1975-1981 2/25 Joe Goddard (85) White Sox Beat Writer Chicago Sun Times 1974-2000 (Alternating Seasons) 3/5 Dave Wills (58) White Sox Broadcaster / Pre/Post Game 1997-2004 5/14 Matt Borne (46) Minor Leagues 1998-2000 6th Round 1998 Draft 10/5 Joshua Crede (40) 48th Round 2001 Draft Selection (did not play), 3B Joe Crede's brother 11/26 Bill Young (69) White Sox Scout 2002-2023 12/17 Barry Johnson (54) Minor Leagues 1992-1997 Joliet Catholic HS Graduate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Gary Peters could pitch and he could hit. In a simpler time, he along with Joel Horlen were responsible for a lot of little south side kids becoming Sox lovers. I'm sure they both would be appalled at the state of today's game regarding starting pitchers. They were just getting started at five innings and 100 pitches. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 “I told Roland Hemond to go out and get me a big name pitcher. He said, ‘Dave Wehrmeister’s got 11 letters. Is that big enough for you?'” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Vince Harris was my middle school dean’s assistant. He was a good man and involved in all the student’s life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 16 hours ago, greg775 said: Gary Peters could pitch and he could hit. In a simpler time, he along with Joel Horlen were responsible for a lot of little south side kids becoming Sox lovers. I'm sure they both would be appalled at the state of today's game regarding starting pitchers. They were just getting started at five innings and 100 pitches. I was watching MLBN a month or so ago and they had Ted Simmons on. A HOF catcher back in the era guys through 250 innings a year. Also was a long time executive. He said if he were running a team today he would limit pitchers to 10 batters an appearance. It’s hard to believe you could go through an enitire season like that, but we may be heading that way. I’m sure some team will experiment with 2 or 3 bullpen games a week soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I was watching MLBN a month or so ago and they had Ted Simmons on. A HOF catcher back in the era guys through 250 innings a year. Also was a long time executive. He said if he were running a team today he would limit pitchers to 10 batters an appearance. It’s hard to believe you could go through an enitire season like that, but we may be heading that way. I’m sure some team will experiment with 2 or 3 bullpen games a week soon. Probably. It's going to be similar to what the Cubs tried in the 70s with 3 inning pitchers. There just isn't enough good pitching. So the alternative is to let the the mediocre ones throw as hard as they can until their arm is tired. The pitch clock will hasten this change by making the outings even shorter as the pitchers can't rest between pitches and they will fatigue faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I would really like to make Jerry Reinsdorf joke in here but that would be bad form. 😁😬 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 hours ago, Dick Allen said: I was watching MLBN a month or so ago and they had Ted Simmons on. A HOF catcher back in the era guys through 250 innings a year. Also was a long time executive. He said if he were running a team today he would limit pitchers to 10 batters an appearance. It’s hard to believe you could go through an enitire season like that, but we may be heading that way. I’m sure some team will experiment with 2 or 3 bullpen games a week soon. TLR told me one time an idea he had and discussed. I don't think he ever told me why he didn't implement it. He said he was going to go into the season with 12 pitchers ranked 1 - 12. He would use three pitchers for every game in order so for the first game pitchers 1-3 would work, for the second game pitchers 4-6 would appear and so on. The pitchers would not be ranked from "best" to "worst" different factors would play in as in left or right handed, what type pitches they threw, how much experience they had. And the pitchers wouldn't be limited to three innings, just that he'd only use three pitchers. If the game went into extra innings then the next set of pitrchers would come into play. It would have been a novel idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dick Allen said: I was watching MLBN a month or so ago and they had Ted Simmons on. A HOF catcher back in the era guys through 250 innings a year. Also was a long time executive. He said if he were running a team today he would limit pitchers to 10 batters an appearance. It’s hard to believe you could go through an enitire season like that, but we may be heading that way. I’m sure some team will experiment with 2 or 3 bullpen games a week soon. We're definitely headed that way. I guess you would justify mega salaries to such pitchers depending solely on strikeouts vs. walks. If a guy can strike out 7 or 8 of the 10 he's to make bank. Weird thing is everything is going to be geared even more so to Ks for pitchers and HRs for hitters. Hitters that are able to hit a good number of homers and not put the ball in play otherwise (Ks are fine) will earn the $$. Not much cash will go to defensive specialists or guys with speed on the bases. It's all going more and more to home run derby in the future. One problem with this is most of the HRs will be against pitchers 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 as pitchers 1, 2, 3 prolly will have nasty fastballs and cutters. You'll have to wait til the mediocres/stiffs enter the game for most of the launching pad at bats. Edited January 1 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdGen Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: TLR told me one time an idea he had and discussed. I don't think he ever told me why he didn't implement it. He said he was going to go into the season with 12 pitchers ranked 1 - 12. He would use three pitchers for every game in order so for the first game pitchers 1-3 would work, for the second game pitchers 4-6 would appear and so on. The pitchers would not be ranked from "best" to "worst" different factors would play in as in left or right handed, what type pitches they threw, how much experience they had. And the pitchers wouldn't be limited to three innings, just that he'd only use three pitchers. If the game went into extra innings then the next set of pitrchers would come into play. It would have been a novel idea. I wonder if pitcher objections may have blocked this idea. Wins and saves would be more evenly distributed (kind of randomly) among the pitchers. If this was back in the 80's or 90's those stats were more important in free agent and arbitration negotiations. The top starters and best reliever would see those numbers drop compared to the league. No single pitcher is getting 15-20 wins in that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) Hadn’t heard that Bee Bee Richard died, IIRC he was the Sox number 1 pick and 6th overall in the 1970 draft and was just about a complete flop for us, had 26 errors in his first 68 games and couldn’t hit a lick, he had some good minor league seasons but just couldn’t cope in the Majors. Edited January 2 by The Mighty Mite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 On 1/1/2024 at 7:24 AM, ptatc said: Probably. It's going to be similar to what the Cubs tried in the 70s with 3 inning pitchers. There just isn't enough good pitching. So the alternative is to let the the mediocre ones throw as hard as they can until their arm is tired. The pitch clock will hasten this change by making the outings even shorter as the pitchers can't rest between pitches and they will fatigue faster. Players are far more brittle than they use to be. The ability to stay on the field or never miss a start is now a high value. Then there are guys like Judge and Trout who will still get higher contracts despite never playing a full season. Look at the Gio contract, Did he ever really miss a start? As for the pitch clock the aging pitchers were having trouble. I doubt any of those legendary pitchers would have an issue with a pitch clock. It works both ways. He hitter isn't allowed to take their sweet time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 On 1/1/2024 at 8:12 AM, Dick Allen said: I was watching MLBN a month or so ago and they had Ted Simmons on. A HOF catcher back in the era guys through 250 innings a year. Also was a long time executive. He said if he were running a team today he would limit pitchers to 10 batters an appearance. It’s hard to believe you could go through an enitire season like that, but we may be heading that way. I’m sure some team will experiment with 2 or 3 bullpen games a week soon. Today's game should have 28 man rosters. Times have changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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