5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Can’t blame Getz for guys like Moncada & Eloy being lazy after Hahn gave them massive extensions.  And the more cancerous players in the clubhouse (Lynn, Kelly, & Grandal apparently) were external additions.  Tim Anderson?  Dude simply went crazy, which again, not a Getz problem.  I’m not sure how you came to this conclusion.

Yes I can. I think the White Sox’s minor leagues did a terrible job of having these guys grow up. Hahn’s business decisions are on the list too, so this is not an effort to let him off the hook, but Getz should not be either. What is he doing when basically everyone in his system comes up as an attitude problem? Is he recognizing this is a problem and bringing it to his bosses attention? Was he bringing in new people if the attitudes of the older ones weren’t working?

I think we are seeing that Getz has a real problem with communication. Problems fester under him and don’t get solved because he doesn’t take steps to solve them. Getz thinks he has good communication with a player and their agent, and then is blindsided by a contract demand.

8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Yes I can. I think the White Sox’s minor leagues did a terrible job of having these guys grow up. Hahn’s business decisions are on the list too, so this is not an effort to let him off the hook, but Getz should not be either. What is he doing when basically everyone in his system comes up as an attitude problem? Is he recognizing this is a problem and bringing it to his bosses attention? Was he bringing in new people if the attitudes of the older ones weren’t working?

I think we are seeing that Getz has a real problem with communication. Problems fester under him and don’t get solved because he doesn’t take steps to solve them. Getz thinks he has good communication with a player and their agent, and then is blindsided by a contract demand.

Who came up with an attitude problem?

8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Yes I can. I think the White Sox’s minor leagues did a terrible job of having these guys grow up. Hahn’s business decisions are on the list too, so this is not an effort to let him off the hook, but Getz should not be either. What is he doing when basically everyone in his system comes up as an attitude problem? Is he recognizing this is a problem and bringing it to his bosses attention? Was he bringing in new people if the attitudes of the older ones weren’t working?

I think we are seeing that Getz has a real problem with communication. Problems fester under him and don’t get solved because he doesn’t take steps to solve them. Getz thinks he has good communication with a player and their agent, and then is blindsided by a contract demand.

This is ridiculous. 

16 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

This is ridiculous. 

Holding accountability for the former head of player development?

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Holding accountability for the former head of player development?

Yeah, whatever happened to that guy anyway?  Moron.

 

5 minutes ago, Fielder Jones said:

 

I hate the Reds as a fit for Crochet.

7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Starting to scout other teams’ message boards to get a sense of how their fanbases value Crochet.

The Orioles fans at the Hangout are a hard pass on Crochet if it costs even one of Basallo or Mayo.  They want and are expecting a SP via free agency due to their new owner.  It’s interesting to see how quickly fan expectations change as there is almost a sense of entitlement over there.  Regardless, like their fans, Elias cares more about prospect clutching than winning championships and I think we can take them off the list.

Over at Sons of Sam Horn, there is certainly a desire amongst some Red Sox fans to add Crochet.  At first, there was a large contingent of posters who felt Abreu plus filler could get the job done, but it appears there has been some acceptance that it will cost substantially more.  Anthony & Campbell definitely seem like untouchables to me, but there have been a few proposals centered around Mayer and lots of mock trades with Montgomery.  Regardless, I think there is a real desire within the org itself to start pushing some chips in.

Meanwhile, the general consensus at PhilliesPhans is that Crochet is really good and so is the Phillies rotation, so why pay a steep price for Garrett when there are other areas of need.  To their credit, they realize Bohm doesn’t make any sense for us and for the most feel it’s going to take legit high end prospects to get him.  Of particular note, they feel that Dombrowski is definitely interested in adding him despite that full rotation.  Also, someone proposed a trade lead by Abel and said he couldn’t understand why the Sox wouldn’t take that 🤣🤣

These are funny, and accurate. Though also i think we do the same thing here when the shoe is on the other foot

21 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I hate the Reds as a fit for Crochet.

Same. They certainly could do a quantity offer 

14 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Same. They certainly could do a quantity offer 

They could do that, but I 100% prefer quality and they don’t have a headliner I like.

Edited December 8, 20241 yr by Chicago White Sox

7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

They could do that, but I 100% prefer quantity and they don’t have a headliner I like.

You mean “prefer quality.”

7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

You mean “prefer quality.”

Yup, typo there

8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

You mean “prefer quality.”

In the teen abstinence themed episode of Family Matters, Eddie Winslow made clear to me i have to pick one of those two things

37 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I hate the Reds as a fit for Crochet.

Yep same with the Yankees.  Sucks to hear Boston isn’t significantly involved.

Trading Crochet to the Reds really depends on how you feel about Cam Collier and whether you believe Arroyo's gonna hit. Would be a huge risk cuz Collier's trending towards 1b and Arroyo missed almost all of last year and has not been great since the Reds got him from Seattle. If he reverts to pre-trade form, he'd be a cornerstone. If not, it's a quantity trade hat holds down the fort until guys like Bonemer and Wolkow either develop or bust.

3 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Trading Crochet to the Reds really depends on how you feel about Cam Collier and whether you believe Arroyo's gonna hit. Would be a huge risk cuz Collier's trending towards 1b and Arroyo missed almost all of last year and has not been great since the Reds got him from Seattle. If he reverts to pre-trade form, he'd be a cornerstone. If not, it's a quantity trade hat holds down the fort until guys like Bonemer and Wolkow either develop or bust.

You better get Lowder in a deal with them

6 minutes ago, fathom said:

Yep same with the Yankees.  Sucks to hear Boston isn’t significantly involved.

Wouldn't shock me at all, knowing Getz and some of the other rumors out there, if he targeted Matt McClain. Would be awful so very on par with Getz think.

5 minutes ago, fathom said:

You better get Lowder in a deal with them

Ugh. Not a Lowder fan. I watched him in AA and he did not dominate. I get that he pitched well in mlb, but look under the hood and it is not promising. SSS and all that. I need guys with ceiling. I could see 2 of Collier, Arroyo, and Stewart, plus Chase Petty. Lowder would be the major piece if you got him and the Sox need bats.

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Wouldn't shock me at all, knowing Getz and some of the other rumors out there, if he targeted Matt McClain. Would be awful so very on par with Getz think.

And then spend next two years saying he lost all his power due to his injury 

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

And then spend next two years saying he lost all his power due to his injury 

"No one could have seen this coming. Our guys did some advance analytics, and he was basically a 30/30 player as a rookie if you just double stuff."

5 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Yes I can. I think the White Sox’s minor leagues did a terrible job of having these guys grow up. Hahn’s business decisions are on the list too, so this is not an effort to let him off the hook, but Getz should not be either. What is he doing when basically everyone in his system comes up as an attitude problem? Is he recognizing this is a problem and bringing it to his bosses attention? Was he bringing in new people if the attitudes of the older ones weren’t working?

I think we are seeing that Getz has a real problem with communication. Problems fester under him and don’t get solved because he doesn’t take steps to solve them. Getz thinks he has good communication with a player and their agent, and then is blindsided by a contract demand.

The attitudes were Eloy, Yoan and some veteran pitchers.  Hard to understand how the farm director is supposed to change attitudes, especially when they were in the "system" for less than 2 years and 1 year respectively.   Their attitudes probably explains why Hahn was able to acquire them in the first place.  It reflects on the lack of due-diligence from the right-honorable former GM.
I guess Crochet has a bit of an attitude, but it's just because he wanted to start, which he was right about.

Getz built a bad 2024 roster, did meh on the Cease trade and was just obliterated in the Fedde/Kopech trade.   I'd like to see him improve on those aspects of his game starting now in the winter meetings.

I’d probably need Arroyo, Collier another piece and their Comp Round A pick to even consider a deal but in this market, that might be the best they can do. 

3 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’d probably need Arroyo, Collier another piece and their Comp Round A pick to even consider a deal but in this market, that might be the best they can do. 

Beat who can do? Reds or Sox?

42 minutes ago, fathom said:

You better get Lowder in a deal with them

The Sox should not be targeting any pitching. Even lower value hitting prospects are worth more to us that pitching. We will not be able to add enough through organic means, meanwhile pitching is apparently a free buffet to get. 

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

The Sox should not be targeting any pitching. Even lower value hitting prospects are worth more to us that pitching. We will not be able to add enough through organic means, meanwhile pitching is apparently a free buffet to get. 

Yeah, if any pitcher is involved it should be a 4th piece lottery ticket at most.