6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

How do you come to the conclusion that he's "bad"?

31 year old with 0.0 mil in trade value. Maybe he surprises, but there’s nothing to indicate he’s “good.” I guess, faith in Bannister says, “possibly cromulent”?

Going back over the last 5 drafts, the White Sox are the only team to get positive bWAR out of an 8th rounder. So I can understand the consternation among those who will go to the mat over the White Sox's strong developmental abilities. 

 

Isn’t it interesting that Getz had to DFA one of his trade acquisitions from last year to make room for this guy?  My guess is that Gilbert will go the same way as Shewmake within the next year.

Players Getz are acquiring in these trades are low level scrap heap.

5 minutes ago, Soxfest said:

Players Getz are acquiring in these trades are low level scrap heap.

One would think the dumpster would be empty by now but Getz keeps managing to pillage from it…

3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Isn’t it interesting that Getz had to DFA one of his trade acquisitions from last year to make room for this guy?  My guess is that Gilbert will go the same way as Shewmake within the next year.

Eh, Shewmake was fine as a toss in. I've razzed the Bummer trade enough because it was mostly roster filler that the Braves (good org) dumped on Getz, but Riley Gowens had a good year.

The problem is when Getz keeps doing this baffling thing of making moves to acquire age in exchange for youth. He did it so, so much last year. 

His better moves are the inverse, but even then Vargas is a red mark and the Cease deal comes down to how you view Thorpe's future in the league (and, again, he acquired an old reliever).

We all saw last year that vet leadership means jack s%*# when it's devoid of talent.

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Philadelphia put Gilbert through waivers. The White Sox claimed him. Instead of pulling him back, the Phillies took a low-A ball bullpen arm in trade. I'm not sure what is silly about picking up a seasoned arm that could be a solid bullpen piece this season rather than developing a college arm for 3 years, taken in what has always been referred to as a weak draft. 

Why do you even bother ? Let everyone whine about trading young for old even though that's not really the issue.

If you want a team that isn't going to lose 121  games but you have no money to spend on impacts bats then maybe you can dig up enough decent cheaps arms to prevent total bullpen meltdowns and win a few games in late or extra innings. Come at me when any one turns into a serviceable MLB player for more than a year .

It's a younger arm that's worth practically nothing for an older arm worth slightly more if it can be used in MLB to get a few wins for a team that'll struggle to get 50 wins. We all know its all about getting the #1 draft pick but not setting all time embarrassing losing records again. It's a nothing burger trade  .

7 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Why do you even bother ? Let everyone whine about trading young for old even though that's not really the issue.

If you want a team that isn't going to lose 121  games but you have no money to spend on impacts bats then maybe you can dig up enough decent cheaps arms to prevent total bullpen meltdowns and win a few games in late or extra innings. Come at me when any one turns into a serviceable MLB player for more than a year .

It's a younger arm that's worth practically nothing for an older arm worth slightly more if it can be used in MLB to get a few wins for a team that'll struggle to get 50 wins. We all know its all about getting the #1 draft pick but not setting all time embarrassing losing records again. It's a nothing burger trade  .

I thought only Greg cared about losing 120 games instead of just 110.  Who the f*** cares?  It’s massive failure either way you slice it.

58 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

I don't think anyone is gnashing their teeth over losing an 8th round pick, its the trading a 23 year old for a 31 year old who doesn't bring back experience or leadership or any tangible contribution for the use of a 40 man spot. It's just strange.

It feels like Getz thinks he made 1 good trade last year so now he is doing everything he can to replicate it.  It is also disappointing he still seems to have zero faith in his drafting, scouting, and development teams because he is already trading away the people he brought in for pennies.

14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Isn’t it interesting that Getz had to DFA one of his trade acquisitions from last year to make room for this guy?  My guess is that Gilbert will go the same way as Shewmake within the next year.

Remember when the O’s got rid of Eloy before the season was even over? I’m sure this happens quite often. Not everything has to be some colossal failure. It was an Aaron Bummer trade. 

6 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Remember when the O’s got rid of Eloy before the season was even over? I’m sure this happens quite often. Not everything has to be some colossal failure. It was an Aaron Bummer trade. 

You could make a list of bad Getz acquisitions from last offseason that were cut before their contract and/or player control was up.

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This isn't the Phillies trade I was waiting for.

Did our win total at Draft Kings move up to 50 as a result of this acquisition?

 

From the most expensive pens in baseball history from 2021-22 to the cheapest and arguably worst.

Quite an accomplishment.

1 hour ago, PaleAleSox said:

Remember when the O’s got rid of Eloy before the season was even over? I’m sure this happens quite often. Not everything has to be some colossal failure. It was an Aaron Bummer trade. 

We took out the Braves' garbage for them, nothing more or less.

1 hour ago, Quin said:

Eh, Shewmake was fine as a toss in. I've razzed the Bummer trade enough because it was mostly roster filler that the Braves (good org) dumped on Getz, but Riley Gowens had a good year.

The problem is when Getz keeps doing this baffling thing of making moves to acquire age in exchange for youth. He did it so, so much last year. 

His better moves are the inverse, but even then Vargas is a red mark and the Cease deal comes down to how you view Thorpe's future in the league (and, again, he acquired an old reliever).

We all saw last year that vet leadership means jack s%*# when it's devoid of talent.

At least we could have led the league in former first round draft picks but with Shewmake gone that dream is now deferred.

24 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

We took out the Braves' garbage for them, nothing more or less.

And they got the corpse of Aaron Bummer. 

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I thought only Greg cared about losing 120 games instead of just 110.  Who the f*** cares?  It’s massive failure either way you slice it.

Oh come on now thats all we heard about for the last year how embarrassing it was.  Getz is a failure, Jerry lied to us. It didn't even sink in that it was the 1st year of a rebuild people were pissed off and you know it. That's why you're hear lambasting every little nothing move they make still. Going from a 121 to 105 or  110 losses is some progress . It's just a waiting game for JR to die .In the meantime we're stuck with what we're getting and maybe even some of it works out.

Getz is trying to build a competent bullpen. Sure he's already got some young arms to try in the pen , failed young starters , young relief pitchers like Palette, Coffey and Schoenle he actually rather not trade so he brings in some older arms that maybe he can flip maybe not . But between the AA, AAA and AAAA guys he brought in he's going to have plenty of arms to choose from that are MLB ready. He sure cant flip a Kanny RP who likely never makes it to the big leagues.

Maybe next year you got Schultz and Hagen vying for the rotation and Quero and Teel and Colson Montgomery and a few other guys hitting .And Braden Montgomery shooting up through AA.

I'm really sorry I don't see disaster in every move they make.

13 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

And they got the corpse of Aaron Bummer. 

He was so bad that the Braves, an annual contender, chose to extend him.

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Why do you even bother ? Let everyone whine about trading young for old even though that's not really the issue.

If you want a team that isn't going to lose 121  games but you have no money to spend on impacts bats then maybe you can dig up enough decent cheaps arms to prevent total bullpen meltdowns and win a few games in late or extra innings. Come at me when any one turns into a serviceable MLB player for more than a year .

It's a younger arm that's worth practically nothing for an older arm worth slightly more if it can be used in MLB to get a few wins for a team that'll struggle to get 50 wins. We all know its all about getting the #1 draft pick but not setting all time embarrassing losing records again. It's a nothing burger trade  .

The 2024 White Sox were unlucky to have missed their pythagorean by 7 wins. Their top 3 offensive players injured by game 11, 2 other main offensive players OPSing .400 the 1st month. A better bullpen was probably worth a good half dozen wins.

I wouldn't say Combs was worth nothing, but like Fajardo, it's a calculated risk. Trading a guy 3 years away from the bigs for a guy who could be tweaked, be productive and help win some games, then bring back a better prospect at the deadline. 

These are the types of moves Getz should be making. 

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

He was so bad that the Braves, an annual contender, chose to extend him.

They didn't "extend" him. They picked up his 2 option years for a discount. He's making $3.5m in 2025 instead of $7.5m. LOL. Boy, did he take them to the cleaners. 

20 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The 2024 White Sox were unlucky to have missed their pythagorean by 7 wins. Their top 3 offensive players injured by game 11, 2 other main offensive players OPSing .400 the 1st month. A better bullpen was probably worth a good half dozen wins.

I wouldn't say Combs was worth nothing, but like Fajardo, it's a calculated risk. Trading a guy 3 years away from the bigs for a guy who could be tweaked, be productive and help win some games, then bring back a better prospect at the deadline. 

These are the types of moves Getz should be making. 

You sign guys like this on the FA market, and not give up your guys to get them.  Getting a reliever to flip isn't the problem,  it is diminishing your return by wasting your farm system to get them.

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

 

These are the types of moves Getz should be making. 

Mostly it's the only moves he can make .He's got no MLB players to trade that aren't at their lowest values.

If all you can trade at the deadline are relief pitchers he doesn't want to trade the promising young arms with 6 years left who had good seasons at Birmingham and Charlotte or our busted young starters before we find out if they are useful in the pen like Nastrini or Eder. So when u have a plethora of good young arms then you're going to trade the younger mid to late rounds college draft pick RP or a 17 yr old DSL pitcher.

 

45 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

They didn't "extend" him. They picked up his 2 option years for a discount. He's making $3.5m in 2025 instead of $7.5m. LOL. Boy, did he take them to the cleaners. 

Bummer received a new contract which guaranteed him $13 million over the next two years.  His previous Sox contract was two non-guaranteed $7.25 and $7.5 million team options for 2025 and 2026 respectively, each with $1.25 million buyouts.

All Bummer was guaranteed after being a “corpse” last season was a $1.25 million buyout.  Instead, he got $13 million guaranteed.  Guaranteed money trumps team options with buyouts.  I’d say Bummer did pretty well for being a “corpse” last season.

As I said, club options with buyouts aren’t guaranteed money.  Moncada and Eloy can attest to this.  Neither is incentive-based money.  Unless you are Kenny Williams and truly think the Sox offered Machado the best contract.

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15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You sign guys like this on the FA market, and not give up your guys to get them.  Getting a reliever to flip isn't the problem,  it is diminishing your return by wasting your farm system to get them.

This. Both of these guys are likely inconsequential, its the process that is flawed and baffling.