45 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Interesting

 

Seems like a good guy to take a chance on. Hopefully they can get him right.

Well he was waived by the Reds a couple of weeks ago and got all the way to the Yankees; and now he can't make it past the Sox.  

Hope he's something.

11 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Well he was waived by the Reds a couple of weeks ago and got all the way to the Yankees; and now he can't make it past the Sox.  

Hope he's something.

It seems like a freebie to me. Has an option left, and since just about everyone has already passed on him, the Sox probably can get him through waivers if they want the roster spot.

52 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Seems like a good guy to take a chance on. Hopefully they can get him right.

Horrible numbers but he supposedly has a 5 pitch mix.  Still only 25.  Definitely worth a shot.

1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Interesting

 

4 BB/9 IP across MiLB years.  That number pushed to basically 5 in the high minors.

45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

4 BB/9 IP across MiLB years.  That number pushed to basically 5 in the high minors.

Coop’ll fix him

or something like that.

5 minutes ago, JoeC said:

Coop’ll Bannister’ll fix him

or something like that.

 

I am not even sure why this article was written.  Until Smith and Schultz show they are ready, there is no one in the system who is close to the majors who needs to worry about an extention.

 

 

12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am not even sure why this article was written.  Until Smith and Schultz show they are ready, there is no one in the system who is close to the majors who needs to worry about an extention.

 

 

 

Basically the only 2 I would maybe try this with, and I would even wait until maybe later in year/next offseason. Try to get it really cheap and buy out a year or two of FA.

43 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am not even sure why this article was written.  Until Smith and Schultz show they are ready, there is no one in the system who is close to the majors who needs to worry about an extention.

 

 

Agreed but I hate the assertion that those deals Rick Hahn signed were a mistake. They didn’t work but the alternative could’ve been those players being good and ownership being unwilling to pay market rate. 

44 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am not even sure why this article was written.  Until Smith and Schultz show they are ready, there is no one in the system who is close to the majors who needs to worry about an extention.

 

 

I can’t read the full article but it seems like a direct shot at Hahn’s old strategy.

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I can’t read the full article but it seems like a direct shot at Hahn’s old strategy.

I mean, it doesn’t matter.  They just set up another excuse not to spend.  So now,  they will try to thread the needle when it gets closer to the end of arbitration, and —maybe- sign them to extensions based on what little they have shown in the majors.  And also not sign premier free agents because we are creating our own great team, that we aren’t keeping around.  
 

sounds great sign me up 

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I can’t read the full article but it seems like a direct shot at Hahn’s old strategy.

Ah, right.  That makes sense.

14 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Agreed but I hate the assertion that those deals Rick Hahn signed were a mistake. They didn’t work but the alternative could’ve been those players being good and ownership being unwilling to pay market rate. 

If Yoan Moncada or Luis Robert stayed healthy, hit their potential, and got to the free agent market they would have been $500 million or more on the open market.  Eloy as a perrienial 40 homer guy with no defense would have been a couple of steps under, but still a huge number.   It was never a bad gamble to take a shot on this, it was just a complete failure of development to be able to keep them healthy.

17 hours ago, JoeC said:

Coop’ll fix him

or something like that.

From what I was told he has to fix himself.  He got a little thick and lost the feel for his secondaries.  The Rangers taught him a cutter and he threw it way too much because it was the only pitch he had.  If he can get himself back into shape and find the feel for his breaking stuff he could be something.  He's only 25 yrs old.  

20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Ah, right.  That makes sense.

But your point remains.  Getz still needs to develop a prospect that is actually worthy of an early extension.  Time will tell.

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19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I can’t read the full article but it seems like a direct shot at Hahn’s old strategy.

That's how I interpret it as well. Or a meagre attempt to distance this regime from the last, despite being part of the last.

16 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

From what I was told he has to fix himself.  He got a little thick and lost the feel for his secondaries.  The Rangers taught him a cutter and he threw it way too much because it was the only pitch he had.  If he can get himself back into shape and find the feel for his breaking stuff he could be something.  He's only 25 yrs old.  

He was also pitching in the PCL so that probably didn’t help his numbers any, right?  Or is that not as much of a thing these days?

He’s right around the age of Thorpe, Cannon, and Burke.  This may be my favorite pickup of the offseason.  Can’t beat basically free.  He should get major league starts this season.

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12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If Yoan Moncada or Luis Robert stayed healthy, hit their potential, and got to the free agent market they would have been $500 million or more on the open market.  Eloy as a perrienial 40 homer guy with no defense would have been a couple of steps under, but still a huge number.   It was never a bad gamble to take a shot on this, it was just a complete failure of development to be able to keep them healthy.

I fear what I'm about to say is going to turn into another huge debate with some incredibly silly back and forth, but I guess we'll find out. 

When talking about the extensions around those three, I would hope there was a discussion at some point about the makeup of each player, and how they would "respond" to generational wealth before having really any ML experience to speak of. Each player is undoubtably different, but they do all share the unfortunate trait of appearing on the DL far more than the average player, and many of those appearances seemed to be related to muscle strains, pulls and soreness. I think it's fair to question some of the time missed by all three players, and wonder if it looks different if these guys are all playing for their first contract extension at the MLB level. 

19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

But your point remains.  Getz still needs to develop a prospect that is actually worthy of an early extension.  Time will tell.

Like Garrett Crochet? 

25 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I mean, it doesn’t matter.  They just set up another excuse not to spend.  So now,  they will try to thread the needle when it gets closer to the end of arbitration, and —maybe- sign them to extensions based on what little they have shown in the majors.  And also not sign premier free agents because we are creating our own great team, that we aren’t keeping around.  
 

sounds great sign me up 

Closer to the end of arbitration means a player with 4-5+ years service time. If somebody has shown "little" after 5 years in the majors, why would they be signing them to extensions? The anti-Getz crowd goes through such great pains to craft each phrase of each sentence in as negative a light as possible that they no longer make sense. 

My take from the article is that they're not going to sign an extension before the 2nd year starts to get them cheap, because they may question how that affected the motivation of their last class of "stars". To me, it's non-information. "We're going to wait to make sure they're major leaguers before extending them." Well, duh. 

9 minutes ago, Tony said:

I fear what I'm about to say is going to turn into another huge debate with some incredibly silly back and forth, but I guess we'll find out. 

When talking about the extensions around those three, I would hope there was a discussion at some point about the makeup of each player, and how they would "respond" to generational wealth before having really any ML experience to speak of. Each player is undoubtably different, but they do all share the unfortunate trait of appearing on the DL far more than the average player, and many of those appearances seemed to be related to muscle strains, pulls and soreness. I think it's fair to question some of the time missed by all three players, and wonder if it looks different if these guys are all playing for their first contract extension at the MLB level. 

There's absolutely players in MLB who don't love baseball and just play it because they are good at it and its a job that pays a ridiculous salary. That strikes me as Moncada. Sometimes I get that feeling about Robert as well, purely based off body language at times.

15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

He was also pitching in the PCL so that probably didn’t help his numbers any, right?  Or is that not as much of a thing these days?

He’s right around the age of Thorpe, Cannon, and Burke.  This may be my favorite pickup of the offseason.  Can’t beat basically free.  He should get major league starts this season.

I don't know if coming to Chicago will help him not be thick, though. Food is too good.

5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Like Garrett Crochet? 

Point taken.  I guess I was thinking about players that he was directly responsible for drafting since he was promoted to GM.