Already at max velocity

 

38 minutes ago, fathom said:

Already at max velocity

 

Nah, he’ll be up to late career Maddux velocities in a few weeks — 88/89.

Edited February 18, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023

4 hours ago, T R U said:

There's absolutely players in MLB who don't love baseball and just play it because they are good at it and its a job that pays a ridiculous salary. That strikes me as Moncada. Sometimes I get that feeling about Robert as well, purely based off body language at times.

I’ve always gotten the same impression with Moncada. One of my favorite Yoan moments was a few years ago, during a regular season game, when he got a huge hit up the middle to give us the lead late. I don’t even remember who it was against. Had to be a divisional matchup. But the emotion he showed at first base after the hit was unlike anything I had seen from him. It was awesome to see. Anybody remember this?

1 hour ago, fathom said:

Already at max velocity

 

Liam Hendriks throwing 93-94…

 

I have no idea what they were doing with Thorpe. 

He simply does not have the velocity necessary to be successful at the MLB level in 2025. 

8 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

I have no idea what they were doing with Thorpe. 

He simply does not have the velocity necessary to be successful at the MLB level in 2025. 

Or he could be a pitcher and not just a thrower?

19 minutes ago, CBJ03 said:

Or he could be a pitcher and not just a thrower?

It’s early, so while people are joking, I don’t think he has maxed out at 84-85.  But 84-85 max velocity ain’t working for anyone these days, pitcher or thrower.

2 hours ago, Baron said:

There's one coming to Austin this year sometime too which is great. We just had some Portillos dry iced here. Wasn't too bad for the beef. The hotdogs tasted different. 

And one in San Antonio. With pizza the local places can't get the sausage seasoning the same. I assume with beef or will be the same issues. 

49 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

I’ve always gotten the same impression with Moncada. One of my favorite Yoan moments was a few years ago, during a regular season game, when he got a huge hit up the middle to give us the lead late. I don’t even remember who it was against. Had to be a divisional matchup. But the emotion he showed at first base after the hit was unlike anything I had seen from him. It was awesome to see. Anybody remember this?

This one?

https://www.mlb.com/video/yoan-moncada-singles-on-a-fly-ball-to-center-fielder-mauricio-dubon-adam-engel-s

He had also gotten a go-ahead hit late the night before. 

33 minutes ago, CBJ03 said:

Or he could be a pitcher and not just a thrower?

When everyone is throwing 95+, 92 looks like a beach ball. 

8 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

When everyone is throwing 95+, 92 looks like a beach ball. 

Location and movement is much more important that velocity. Just go watch anyone talk about hitting a 100 mph straight fastball vs a 92 mph with movement.  

5 minutes ago, CBJ03 said:

Location and movement is much more important that velocity. Just go watch anyone talk about hitting a 100 mph straight fastball vs a 92 mph with movement.  

Today you need both. Also Thorpe was throwing 91-93 and was getting shelled. Safe to say that he didn't have the spin, movement and velocity to succeed at the MLB level. Once the book was out it was over. 

I am sticking to this until Thorpe proves me wrong. Soft tossers don't work in 2025, especially if they're right handed. 

29 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

Today you need both. Also Thorpe was throwing 91-93 and was getting shelled. Safe to say that he didn't have the spin, movement and velocity to succeed at the MLB level. Once the book was out it was over. 

I am sticking to this until Thorpe proves me wrong. Soft tossers don't work in 2025, especially if they're right handed. 

Thorpe looked good for the most part in a small MLB sample until he got shelled in his last two starts. He then went on the IL so it’s fair to say he wasn’t healthy by that point. I think it is premature to say the book is out on him, though it would be nice if he had more velo.

3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

The restaurant I worked at in Carbondale during college would soak the beef for a minute prior to serving and I must insist that it is the best way to serve it

 

Now I am getting this as an advertisement at the bottom of this site lol so weird because I didn't even search it or anything

Edited February 18, 20251 yr by Bob Sacamano

18 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Thorpe looked good for the most part in a small MLB sample until he got shelled in his last two starts. He then went on the IL so it’s fair to say he wasn’t healthy by that point. I think it is premature to say the book is out on him, though it would be nice if he had more velo.

While this is true, his strikeouts were way down and his command was still not good.  He walked far too many batters and threw quite a few absolute meatballs.

Edited February 18, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023

1 hour ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

I have no idea what they were doing with Thorpe. 

He simply does not have the velocity necessary to be successful at the MLB level in 2025. 

And bumble bees can't fly. 

15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

While this is true, his strikeouts were way down and his command was still not good.  He walked far too many batters and threw quite a few absolute meatballs.

Yeah, he definitely has things to work on and has less margin for error than other pitchers because he doesn’t throw hard. But I think it’s disingenuous to act like Thorpe got shelled every time he went out there. 

Lots and lots of revisionist history going around lately. 

3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Nah, he’ll be up to late career Maddux velocities in a few weeks — 88/89.

Better than later career Jamie moyer at 79.

29 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Better than later career Jamie moyer at 79.

That's almost better.  You almost have to be below the hitting speed, vs just being on the low end of it.  

2 hours ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

I have no idea what they were doing with Thorpe. 

He simply does not have the velocity necessary to be successful at the MLB level in 2025. 

Today is literally his first day throwing off a mound since his injury…if anyone should be called Captain Panic it’s you.

1 hour ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

Today you need both. Also Thorpe was throwing 91-93 and was getting shelled. Safe to say that he didn't have the spin, movement and velocity to succeed at the MLB level. Once the book was out it was over. 

I am sticking to this until Thorpe proves me wrong. Soft tossers don't work in 2025, especially if they're right handed. 

It was like seven fucking starts…you are literally using a SSS to confirm a pre-conceived bias.

6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

It was like seven fucking starts…you are literally using a SSS to confirm a pre-conceived bias.

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44 minutes ago, Baron said:

Lots and lots of revisionist history going around lately. 

It’s not even revisionist theory.  It’s simply people who didn’t like Thorpe at the time of the Cease trade grasping at straws to confirm their pre-conceived notions.  They love highlighting the last couple major league starts he got beat up (likely while injured) but ignore his extensive track record of minor league success.  I can totally get being concerned that Thorpe’s margin of error will be thin because his fastball is a fringe offering, but the immediate need to a write a player over a small sample size (again, while likely injured) is just absurd.

I don’t think it’s that wild to say that since he doesn’t throw hard, he has to have that much more control and hit his spots to be successful. A lot of misses over the heart of the plate and he will get hit around.

Having said that, I’m not writing him off now. It’s too early.