WBWSF Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 I'm hoping the new owner takes over sooner rather than later. Its obvious that JR has no interest in improving this team. I would think if he did he would have improved this offense during the off season. Any good owner would be ashamed as to how this team has turned out. It evidently hasn't bothered JR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 22 minutes ago, WBWSF said: I'm hoping the new owner takes over sooner rather than later. Its obvious that JR has no interest in improving this team. I would think if he did he would have improved this offense during the off season. Any good owner would be ashamed as to how this team has turned out. It evidently hasn't bothered JR. It hasn't bothered JR for one reason, he's making money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Could it be that JR listens to the people that work for him and they told him they improved the offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 They've gone from $70 million to under $10 million on their CHSN deal...maybe they can leverage the Bulls and Blackhawks to push it up to $13-15 million but that's a not insignificant hit to the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 9 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: It hasn't bothered JR for one reason, he's making money. With the lack of a TV deal, I doubt it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 hours ago, Texsox said: Could it be that JR listens to the people that work for him and they told him they improved the offense? Unless he was lying, JR did say that one of his favorite players was David Eckstein, and that he would love a full lineup of Eckstein’s. If that’s the case, it is possible that JR would have no clue what a good offense looks like. But I’m sure he made the statement because a lineup of Eckstein-type players would be cheap. It was also the same press conference in which he said that they weren’t going to be in on Ohtani. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 10 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Any new owner of the Sox will be a billionaire. Please don’t be as clueless as Tray. WTF is your beef? The fact that the new owner has to be a billionaire because of baseball economics makes the fan even more powerless. MLB will do what it wants, and the fan has no say-so or ability to influence decisions. My beef? RIght now, as an organization, the White Sox have no credibility. A new owner does not mean credibility will be restored no matter how much money he has. I have been a fan for a hell of a long time, going to both parks during winning and losing seasons. I have never been this discouraged about the state of the franchise. Bill Veeck was not perfect by any means, but he understood what fans wanted when they came to the ballpark. What does a billionaire know about the average working-class fan? Nothing. He knows about his ego and non-ending greed. We don't need another out-of-touch owner. I don't understand the hostility. I am a writer who has written five books about the White Sox and soon will be publishing my sixth. Don't be angry at me. Be angry at the people who has run this organization to the ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: It hasn't bothered JR for one reason, he's making money. I realize people buy teams to make money but still this is a very bad situation. With the low 2025 White Sox payroll JR is going to make some big money this year. How much money does he need? He's already a billionaire. He obviously doesn't care if the team keeps losing games. This team can't hit. He should have corrected this problem this past off season. Any owner worth his type of money who doesn't care about improving the team should sell the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 If JR were a player he would be dfa. Eventually you get over your childhood attachment to your team and just pity the ineptness. Only on the Sox does Luis Robert Jr. turn into Michael Taylor Jr. They bring out the worst in every one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 47 minutes ago, Highland said: The fact that the new owner has to be a billionaire because of baseball economics makes the fan even more powerless. MLB will do what it wants, and the fan has no say-so or ability to influence decisions. My beef? RIght now, as an organization, the White Sox have no credibility. A new owner does not mean credibility will be restored no matter how much money he has. I have been a fan for a hell of a long time, going to both parks during winning and losing seasons. I have never been this discouraged about the state of the franchise. Bill Veeck was not perfect by any means, but he understood what fans wanted when they came to the ballpark. What does a billionaire know about the average working-class fan? Nothing. He knows about his ego and non-ending greed. We don't need another out-of-touch owner. I don't understand the hostility. I am a writer who has written five books about the White Sox and soon will be publishing my sixth. Don't be angry at me. Be angry at the people who has run this organization to the ground. I am very convinced he would have been hated today because he would never spend to win. Fans would have quickly soured on glitz over substance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) Unless they're going to turn the White Sox into the Savannah Banana Slugs... "In an attempt to adapt to free agency, he developed a "rent-a-player" model, centering on the acquisition of other clubs' stars in their option years. The gambit was moderately successful: in 1977 the White Sox won 90 games and finished in third place with additions such as Oscar Gamble and Richie Zisk.[38]" At least Veeck had some financial innovations that resulted in memorable seasons like the Southside Hitmen of 1977. We're currently a million miles from even third place. He had a sense of joy about baseball and being around the everyday fans in the bleachers and upper deck that JR simply lacks. Edited April 5 by caulfield12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 hours ago, Highland said: The fact that the new owner has to be a billionaire because of baseball economics makes the fan even more powerless. MLB will do what it wants, and the fan has no say-so or ability to influence decisions. My beef? RIght now, as an organization, the White Sox have no credibility. A new owner does not mean credibility will be restored no matter how much money he has. I have been a fan for a hell of a long time, going to both parks during winning and losing seasons. I have never been this discouraged about the state of the franchise. Bill Veeck was not perfect by any means, but he understood what fans wanted when they came to the ballpark. What does a billionaire know about the average working-class fan? Nothing. He knows about his ego and non-ending greed. We don't need another out-of-touch owner. I don't understand the hostility. I am a writer who has written five books about the White Sox and soon will be publishing my sixth. Don't be angry at me. Be angry at the people who has run this organization to the ground. The White Sox franchise is valued at around $1.9 billion. How could a MLB team not be purchased by a billionaire these days? And while Veeck was very fan-friendly, do fans really want the next Sox owner to be short on cash and run the team on a shoe-string budget again? If so, this fan base must really be a glutton for punishment. Trading away Goose Gossage and Bucky Dent in rent-a-player moves worked out great for that magical 1977 season (though they did finish 3rd in the end), but then what? After that, the team was a laughingstock for the rest of his ownership. And, while before my time, in his first go-around as Sox owner he traded away a lot of talent after the '59 pennant win and that cost the Sox dearly during their competitive years in the 1960s. The problem with Reinsdorf isn't that he's a billionaire. The problem is that he's been a PR disaster pretty much from the get-go and over the last 20 years: has run this team like we're the Pittsburgh Pirates, has simply refused to invest properly in this team, and has filled the organization with incompetent sycophants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan18 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 13 hours ago, WBWSF said: I'm hoping the new owner takes over sooner rather than later. Its obvious that JR has no interest in improving this team. I would think if he did he would have improved this offense during the off season. Any good owner would be ashamed as to how this team has turned out. It evidently hasn't bothered JR. They're just buying time until the CBA expires. Don't expect any big investment in the roster next offseason, either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 27 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: The White Sox franchise is valued at around $1.9 billion. How could a MLB team not be purchased by a billionaire these days? And while Veeck was very fan-friendly, do fans really want the next Sox owner to be short on cash and run the team on a shoe-string budget again? If so, this fan base must really be a glutton for punishment. Trading away Goose Gossage and Bucky Dent in rent-a-player moves worked out great for that magical 1977 season (though they did finish 3rd in the end), but then what? After that, the team was a laughingstock for the rest of his ownership. And, while before my time, in his first go-around as Sox owner he traded away a lot of talent after the '59 pennant win and that cost the Sox dearly during their competitive years in the 1960s. The problem with Reinsdorf isn't that he's a billionaire. The problem is that he's been a PR disaster pretty much from the get-go and over the last 20 years: has run this team like we're the Pittsburgh Pirates, has simply refused to invest properly in this team, and has filled the organization with incompetent sycophants. Wouldn't you like to see JR hold a press conference today where he takes questions from the media? He won't do it because it would be a PR disaster on his part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 8 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Wouldn't you like to see JR hold a press conference today where he takes questions from the media? He won't do it because it would be a PR disaster on his part. He does written press releases. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: The White Sox franchise is valued at around $1.9 billion. How could a MLB team not be purchased by a billionaire these days? And while Veeck was very fan-friendly, do fans really want the next Sox owner to be short on cash and run the team on a shoe-string budget again? If so, this fan base must really be a glutton for punishment. Trading away Goose Gossage and Bucky Dent in rent-a-player moves worked out great for that magical 1977 season (though they did finish 3rd in the end), but then what? After that, the team was a laughingstock for the rest of his ownership. And, while before my time, in his first go-around as Sox owner he traded away a lot of talent after the '59 pennant win and that cost the Sox dearly during their competitive years in the 1960s. The problem with Reinsdorf isn't that he's a billionaire. The problem is that he's been a PR disaster pretty much from the get-go and over the last 20 years: has run this team like we're the Pittsburgh Pirates, has simply refused to invest properly in this team, and has filled the organization with incompetent sycophants. Of course, no one would want an owner in the same situation as Veeck. My point was that Veeck was well-liked even though many were happy when he sold the team. JR has never established a good relationship with the fan base. You're right. JR has been a PR disaster. My other point is that when people accumulate this much money and this much power, they become even more detached from people who don't have that kind of wealth. I wonder how he can watch this team lose over 100 games a year and not seem to care. But it doesn't seem to bother him. His objectives are a lot different than ours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 hours ago, Highland said: Of course, no one would want an owner in the same situation as Veeck. My point was that Veeck was well-liked even though many were happy when he sold the team. JR has never established a good relationship with the fan base. You're right. JR has been a PR disaster. My other point is that when people accumulate this much money and this much power, they become even more detached from people who don't have that kind of wealth. I wonder how he can watch this team lose over 100 games a year and not seem to care. But it doesn't seem to bother him. His objectives are a lot different than ours. All that losing is making it harder and harder to get any public money for a new stadium...not to mention this upcoming global recession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 9 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I am very convinced he would have been hated today because he would never spend to win. Fans would have quickly soured on glitz over substance Great point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaleAleSox Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I hate this old piece of garbage. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 15 minutes ago, Tony said: I don’t think this is really a new development, but I still don’t understand what’s in it for Ishbia to wait for an indefinite period of time for the Sox when he could have just bought the Twins right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 No kidding. Huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 15 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said: I don’t think this is really a new development, but I still don’t understand what’s in it for Ishbia to wait for an indefinite period of time for the Sox when he could have just bought the Twins right now. Better market in Chicago. Guy is still relatively young to where he could wait a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 43 minutes ago, Tony said: Jerry “Rachel Phelps” Reinsdorf. Apparently we have to wait for nature to run its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 26 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Jerry “Rachel Phelps” Reinsdorf. Apparently we have to wait for nature to run its course. I've been saying that for years and have written about it because of the tax hit if he sells while alive. So again I say to all Sox fans, take care of yourself and hope to still be around when new ownership finally does come into play. He's not selling gang, period. Full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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