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southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, DirtySox said: SIGH. Hagen's velocity and control are having problems, and Grant Taylor is going to the pen. Why can't we have nice things? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 I wonder if Noah Schultz is overrated at #13? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Zavala so far in May: 8-22 with 4 XBH and more walks (3) than Ks (2). Small 7 game May sample, but I feel like he got going in mid April or so. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 I’m completely out in this front office if Grant Taylor doesn’t come to spring training in 2026 as a starting pitcher. I understand the innings restrictions and using him in big league bullpen to end 2025. If they’re already convinced that he’s best served as a high leverage reliever though, they’re morons. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 14 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’m completely out in this front office if Grant Taylor doesn’t come to spring training in 2026 as a starting pitcher. I understand the innings restrictions and using him in big league bullpen to end 2025. If they’re already convinced that he’s best served as a high leverage reliever though, they’re morons. Seems like we saw this same story with...I don't know, Chris Sale, Crochet, except those guys were "needed" immediately for playoff action. Even back in the day, drafting Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda and eventually Burdi. 2016 looks REALLY ugly right now. Formatting is a disaster but the names are all there...somehow THIS draft was going to provide one of the "core" pieces of the rebuild. Edited May 14 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 6 hours ago, oldsox said: I wonder if Noah Schultz is overrated at #13? No comparisons to left-handed Jon Rauch por favor... Edited May 14 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 13 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’m completely out in this front office if Grant Taylor doesn’t come to spring training in 2026 as a starting pitcher. I understand the innings restrictions and using him in big league bullpen to end 2025. If they’re already convinced that he’s best served as a high leverage reliever though, they’re morons. This is a crazy over reaction. There is more to starting than just having great stuff. Taylor has only been able to throw 90 some innings over the last 3 + years beacuse he's had a serious arm injury and several nagging injuries. The reason is because he has a max effort delivery and a bad arm action. He will never be durable enough to be able to make 30 starts and throw 180 + innings a year. The best thing is to let him throw the s%*# out of it in the bullpen for as long as his body will allow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 39 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: This is a crazy over reaction. There is more to starting than just having great stuff. Taylor has only been able to throw 90 some innings over the last 3 + years beacuse he's had a serious arm injury and several nagging injuries. The reason is because he has a max effort delivery and a bad arm action. He will never be durable enough to be able to make 30 starts and throw 180 + innings a year. The best thing is to let him throw the s%*# out of it in the bullpen for as long as his body will allow. While this may be true, i still think they should continue to try him as a starter until he cant. UCL reconstruction and lat injuries are not uncommon for any pitcher. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 So likeable on and off the field 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/hagen-smith-to-skip-next-start-for-white-sox-double-a-team?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 8 Top 100 Pitchers With Intriguing Pitch Mix Data So Far In 2025 Quote Noah Schultz, LHP, White Sox The White Sox lefthander has been one of the most celebrated pitching prospects in recent seasons (he’s No. 15 on the BA Top 100 Prospects list), but his lack of track record led to questions entering the season. While Schultz has shown an ability to handle more innings this season, pitching into the fifth inning or later in four out of seven starts, his command has been shaky with a 12.8% walk rate. As far as the stuff, goes Schultz is still in the neighborhood of last year’s markers, but his velocity is down slightly on his two-seam fastball and slider. Those two pitches are his primary offerings. Both his slider and two-seamer generate a tremendous amount of horizontal movement, with each pitch moving heavily to each side of the plate. The sinker sits 94-95 mph with an average of 16 inches of horizontal break and eight inches of vertical break. His slider works the opposite side of the plate, moving 13 inches gloveside with -4 inches of vertical break. The slider has not generated the whiffs it has in previous seasons, as his whiff rate is down from 41% in 2024 to 26% in 2025. His two-seam has been more effective this season, however, generating more whiffs (29%) than in previous years. Schultz has also leaned more into his cutter, upping the usage from under 10% in 2024 to 20% in 2025. The cutter sits 89-91 mph with around nine inches of ride and nearly zero horizontal break. He’s used the changeup far less this season, and it lacks vertical and velocity separation from the fastball. Overall, Schultz’s command has been his biggest bugaboo this season, as he’s struggled to land his pitches consistently in the zone. Quote Hagen Smith, LHP, White Sox The second pitcher selected in the 2024 draft, Smith had a highly successful career in the SEC at Arkansas. After three appearances with High-A in 2024, he began 2025 with Double-A Birmingham. Smith has pitched to a 2.10 ERA over seven starts, but his control has been an issue with a scary 18.1% walk rate. While strike-throwing has been deflating, his ability to still generate strikeouts has limited the damage to his overall line. Smith mixes three pitches in a four-seam fastball, slider and changeup. To begin the season, he’s been heavily fastball and slider, using the changeup less than five percent of the time. His fastball has sat 93-95 mph with 15-16 inches of vertical break and 11-12 inches of horizontal movement. His 5-foot-5 release height allows the pitch to play above its velocity and pure movement, as he generates a flatter approach to the plate. These traits have led to a plus whiff rate of 34% against the pitch this season. His command of the fastball, however, has been his greatest hurdle, as his 58% strike rate is well below-average. Smith has shown better command of his slider, which in many ways has a similar profile to the “deathball” curveball that’s been popularized in recent years. It’s slurvy shape in the low 80s and has an equal amount of drop and sweep. Smith has commanded the breaking ball far better than his fastball to begin the season with a 60% strike rate (around average for a slider) and a 49% whiff rate (well above-average). The development of a third pitch has been a question for Smith dating back to his amateur days, and it’s still a lingering question, as the changeup is not a major part of his plan of attack. https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/8-top-100-pitchers-with-intriguing-pitch-mix-data-so-far-in-2025/ Edited May 15 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 29 minutes ago, DirtySox said: 8 Top 100 Pitchers With Intriguing Pitch Mix Data So Far In 2025 https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/8-top-100-pitchers-with-intriguing-pitch-mix-data-so-far-in-2025/ With Dutch finally logging starters innings for the first time in his life, the waxing and waning of his stuff isn't a surprise. He's literally never pitched at this volume. It all about him building conditioning for a season while he learns how to make his stuff last 100 pitches instead of 50. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Did I miss Iriarte being injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 37 minutes ago, fathom said: Did I miss Iriarte being injured? RHP Jairo Iriarte assigned to ACL White Sox from Charlotte Knights. Trying to do the pitching equivalent of Colson for him, apparently. Brandon Drury was released as well...didn't notice that. Obviously White Sox don't need hitting at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: RHP Jairo Iriarte assigned to ACL White Sox from Charlotte Knights. Trying to do the pitching equivalent of Colson for him, apparently. Brandon Drury was released as well...didn't notice that. Obviously White Sox don't need hitting at all. Woof….that trade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 7 minutes ago, fathom said: Woof….that trade Also, to top off all the "good new," Profar's brother is hitting .083 for the ACL team. Every single brother/relative that we pick blows up, whether it's Vladdy's cousin, Uribe's son, Tatis' or Yoenis Cespedes' brother or cousin, Ozzie's family, KW's son, lol. We're excelling at lighting money on fire, at least. The only Sox history-connected guy we ever succeeded with was Carlos Martinez's son...and the majority of his success was with the Cardinals in the big leagues. OFC, the other big "miss" was Alek Thomas, whose father Allen was a trainer/athletic conditioning guy and we refused to take his kid...or maybe he was already on the "outs" with the organization. Guessing the next one will be Jose Contreras' son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, fathom said: Woof….that trade Getz should keep acquiring pitchers that walk the world. It sure is working well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Autumn Dreamin Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Mogollon 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, Autumn Dreamin said: Mogollon 👀 Great to see a guy who tore up the Dominican Summer League & Arizona carry it on into full season ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, Autumn Dreamin said: Mogollon 👀 The kid has done nothing but hit. I know he is small, but he has been over .900 OPS at each level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 On 5/13/2025 at 12:56 PM, southsider2k5 said: SIGH. Hagen's velocity and control are having problems, and Grant Taylor is going to the pen. Why can't we have nice things? I’m not second guessing the Hagen Smith pick yet but seeing what Caglianone is doing kind of sucks, haha. Montgomery and Caglianone would have been a nice dynamic duo of hitting prospects to have right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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