7 minutes ago, Ducksnort said:

I was surprised they tendered him for this season to be honest...but I guess he's not really blocking anyone and they didn't have anything to loss, but if he keeps this up, his major league fate is going to be relinquished to minor league deals and non-roster invites for the future.

I doubt he ever signs another contract for as much as the Sox gave him through arbitration this year — $5.85 million.

It's why I always am a bit confused when people ask to name players the PD director should have been more successful with.... 

It's a shame. Second half of rookie year he looked so close. Ihate to say this, but if I were him I'd start taking HGH.

If he doesn't he'll be out of baseball in 2027.

30 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

It's why I always am a bit confused when people ask to name players the PD director should have been more successful with.... 

Most of the excuses are weak to absurd.  Andrew Vaughn was a consensus top 5 pick.  All of the BS about who was drafting is a red herring for a complete development failure.

46 minutes ago, Ducksnort said:

I was surprised they tendered him for this season to be honest...but I guess he's not really blocking anyone and they didn't have anything to loss, but if he keeps this up, his major league fate is going to be relinquished to minor league deals and non-roster invites for the future.

They had to have a payroll higher than the Marlins to avoid 30th, lol...

Non-tendering him last winter was a no brainer. Another outstanding use of limited resources. 

I’ve tried to defend Vaughn in the past…but yeah it’s over. Cut ties and move on. It’s bad for all parties to continue to put him out there everyday at this point.

29 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

I’ve tried to defend Vaughn in the past…but yeah it’s over. Cut ties and move on. It’s bad for all parties to continue to put him out there everyday at this point.

If only we were in a position to draft Nick Kurtz last year...man, that Oakland line-up is starting to look more and more potent by the day.

Butler, Jacob Wilson, Soderstrom, Rooker, Langeliers, Bleday and even Miguel Andujar.

OFC, we get to face the A's this week, beginning on TUES.

Another huge bust of a hitter drafted by this organization 

1 hour ago, Soxfest said:

Another huge bust of a hitter drafted by this organization 

And Colson has gone from one of the "steals" of the year he was drafted to one of the biggest question marks across the entire minor leagues...

Vaughn is on cruise control after signing his new contract. No obvious replacement in the wings (Elko? Quero? Baldwin?) so he isn't under any pressure at all. Sox fans are used to having some pretty good first basemen and AV has disappointed us.

Colson needs to prove he can really mash before he even coaxes a second look by the Sox. Questionable performance on both sides of the ball.

I think it is a combination out of several factors:

-his plate discipline isn't as good as it looked in  college. He had huge walk rates in college but if you are that dangerous you will get walked a lot unless you swing at absolute everything ala javy baez

-he does have solid raw power but not huge all fields pop. To hit homers he needs to pull the ball at good angles. He doesn't pull the ball enough in the air and he isn't really willing to learn here and embrace modern data. Eno sarris once asked him about pulling more fly balls and vaughn basically told him he doesn't care about that nerd stuff.

-sox rushed him and didn't provide good player dev and vaughn also isn't willing to seek outside help like driveline

However this year there actually seems to be some kind of good change. His pull rate is well up to 48% and his pulled fb or ld percentage is up from 14 to 20% this season compared to last. A xwoba and barrel rate is also way up.

K rate is also up to be fair but in the long run it should be worth the trade off. 

The results have been terrible (7 wrc+) but it also was like a 100 babip.

If he can maintain a 14% barrel rate it should easily be a career best.

A good org would encourage him to keep doing what he does and that results will eventually come if he keeps doing it but it is the sox and I would fear that coaches tell him "your production is bad, try to hit line drives at the second basemans knees and stop that pull sh*t":)

 

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There are some schlubs on X hinting that Elko is going to be promoted, but they have no evidence other than "there's a source" and Elko wasn't in the lineup.  Even if he is promoted, do the Sox admit they were wrong and DFA Vaughn?  I don't see it.

8 hours ago, tray said:

Vaughn is on cruise control after signing his new contract. No obvious replacement in the wings (Elko? Quero? Baldwin?) so he isn't under any pressure at all. Sox fans are used to having some pretty good first basemen and AV has disappointed us.

Colson needs to prove he can really mash before he even coaxes a second look by the Sox. Questionable performance on both sides of the ball.

This might be the first time I've ever heard someone claim that a player is on cruise control after signing an arbitration deal.

15 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

There are some schlubs on X hinting that Elko is going to be promoted, but they have no evidence other than "there's a source" and Elko wasn't in the lineup.  Even if he is promoted, do the Sox admit they were wrong and DFA Vaughn?  I don't see it.

Even if they call up Elko, it won't be to release Vaughn. My guess would be a faux IL stint.  Hell maybe he has been hurt for months anyway

 

 

There is a very real chance that the White Sox will have gotten almost nothing back in return for the original core that Rick Hahn proudly assembled. What the heck happened to these players?  Here is a list of the zero to little return packages from the old core. 

Moncada- declined club option (no return) 

Eloy- traded to the orioles for relieve Trey McGough 😐

Anderson- declined club option (no return) 

Madrigal- Traded for Kimbrel, who was traded for AJ Pollock who declined his player option to return to the White Sox. This led to the signing of Andrew Benintendi at 5 years $75 milion. 😒

Kopech- Traded w/ Fedde for Miguel Vargas, Perez and Albertus (Return value was pretty poor here and Vargas appears to be a bust like Vaughn) 

Cease- Traded for Drew Thorpe, Iriarte, Zavala and Wilson. (The Thorpe TJS really put a damper on this deal as Iriarte and Zavala have been midiocre at best.) Unless Thorpe rebounds strongly post surgery, the Sox might have lost a cy young canditate for very little. I really wish Getz got more back for Cease. I know the market was tough at the time, but he also could have opted to keep Cease until the trade deadlne. There is always a huge demand for starting pitching at the deadline. 

Crochet- By far Getz's best deal to date as they got back: Teal, Montgomery, Meidroth and Gonzalez. (2 top 100's and a potential every day 2B is a very nice return) As much as we crap on Getz- this was a rare quality deal. 

Vaughn- High risk of being an official bust. 

Robert- The final hope for netting a decent return and hopefully top 100 prospect. 

Between the demise of the old core and an inexperienced GM, the White Sox are likely 4-5 years away from being remotely relevant again. Unless a new owner takes over?  That may speed things up a bit. 

 

 

 

21 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

He's single handedly convinced me that you never ever, ever draft a 1B in the 1st round of the draft.

Yep...shortstops, center fielders, and left-handed stud pitchers.

8 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Yep...shortstops, center fielders, and left-handed stud pitchers.

This is their specialty.

20 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Yep...shortstops, center fielders, and left-handed stud pitchers.

Except Nick Kurtz and maybe Caglianone

2 hours ago, Quin said:

This might be the first time I've ever heard someone claim that a player is on cruise control after signing an arbitration deal.

Dude has no track record of success to fall back on, but sure, he is on cruise control with his entire baseball future hanging in the balance. That is some galaxy brain s%*#.

If Andrew Vaughn's dismal performance continues, he'll soon be at serious risk of being DFA'd, and that $6M in arb salary for this single year might be the biggest payday he ever sees. But, yeah, cruise control.

A more apt analogy would be a car set ablaze, careening towards a cliff, with no driver at the wheel...

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Except Nick Kurtz and maybe Caglianone

Technically a left-handed pitcher.

20 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

If Andrew Vaughn's dismal performance continues, he'll soon be at serious risk of being DFA'd, and that $6M in arb salary for this single year might be the biggest payday he ever sees. But, yeah, cruise control.

A more apt analogy would be a car set ablaze, careening towards a cliff, with no driver at the wheel...

With nine figure contracts out there, if he is on cruise control after $6 million he is the dumbest mf on the block.

28 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

With nine figure contracts out there, if he is on cruise control after $6 million he is the dumbest mf on the block.

You have to remember that Tray hates Andrew Vaughn almost as much as he hates the possibility of JR losing parking lots.

11 hours ago, tray said:

Vaughn is on cruise control after signing his new contract. No obvious replacement in the wings (Elko? Quero? Baldwin?) so he isn't under any pressure at all. Sox fans are used to having some pretty good first basemen and AV has disappointed us.

Colson needs to prove he can really mash before he even coaxes a second look by the Sox. Questionable performance on both sides of the ball.

Lol cruise control after settling an arb number is something I’ve never heard.