Bob Sacamano Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t think you sit Houser as he just isn’t the type of player that warrants that treatment. Robert I could see the argument for, but even then, feels like you want him out there and showing he is healthy after this little groan scare. Yeah that's true about Houser but him being a rental and the way he has thrown this season, I would think a team would want the extra start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah that's true about Houser but him being a rental and the way he has thrown this season, I would think a team would want the extra start. Agreed. I think you sit him due to the injury risk and the fact that whatever team acquires him can immediately start him instead of having to wait for his next turn in the rotation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 hours ago, fathom said: Acuna’s savant page is god awful Getz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t think you sit Houser as he just isn’t the type of player that warrants that treatment. Robert I could see the argument for, but even then, feels like you want him out there and showing he is healthy after this little groan scare. Robert already showed he was healthy enough by starting in CF last night and having a decent night at the plate with a hit and a walk. If there is any player in the MLB that would get injured in his last game before the trade deadline and f*** over this team worse than he has already done with his two poor seasons in a row, it would be Robert. I see no reason to risk it. Edited July 30 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 34 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t think you sit Houser as he just isn’t the type of player that warrants that treatment. Robert I could see the argument for, but even then, feels like you want him out there and showing he is healthy after this little groan scare. You have to sit him if you believe you can get real value for him. The deadline is tomorrow, why on earth would you risk him getting injured? That makes no sense at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 It would be so white sox to not trade him during a down year where he has managed to stay mostly healthy, pick up the option and THEN he hurts himself real good in 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 55 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t think you sit Houser as he just isn’t the type of player that warrants that treatment. Robert I could see the argument for, but even then, feels like you want him out there and showing he is healthy after this little groan scare. There is almost zero upside in starting Houser. He's 32 and having a career year, in 11 starts. Small sample size. He's also facing a playoff team in the Phillies. If he gets shelled today, which would be the first time that has happened for him in 2025, that would give me pause as a GM looking to bolster my team for the stretch run. The entire premise is built on him being able to pitch in the post season for someone. Could he add to his value by shutting the Phils down? Sure, but I think he do more damage to his value than help it today. Sit him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 No reason whatsoever to start Houser against PHI. No benefit at all to it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I am almost certain if we trade Robert to PHI, Rincones will be in the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 13 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: I am almost certain if we trade Robert to PHI, Rincones will be in the return. Gross, he’s terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 32 minutes ago, fathom said: Gross, he’s terrible seems like a fair trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 As of now, Robert in lineup. CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 13 minutes ago, flavum said: As of now, Robert in lineup. CF I’m not buying that he isn’t scratched. And if he isn’t, Getz is nuts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 16 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m not buying that he isn’t scratched. And if he isn’t, Getz is nuts. Especially if it’s gonna be slick out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Houser officially scratched 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 16 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m not buying that he isn’t scratched. And if he isn’t, Getz is nuts. Probably in the minority here but let him play today, everybody but 9 teams play tomorrow (Rays-Yankees, Reds-Braves, Rangers-M's) All but the Reds I could see going after him, make it known nobody is getting close to what you're asking for in return for him. More so what I'm trying to say is if the return isn't great hold onto him and pay him to hopefully have a better year next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Rey21 said: Probably in the minority here but let him play today, everybody but 9 teams play tomorrow (Rays-Yankees, Reds-Braves, Rangers-M's) All but the Reds I could see going after him, make it known nobody is getting close to what you're asking for in return for him. More so what I'm trying to say is if the return isn't great hold onto him and pay him to hopefully have a better year next year. How about you have him in the lineup like he is now and scratch him right before the game to both prevent him from any potentially injury and bluff interested teams into thinking a deal is close? It probably doesn’t work with another whole day before the deadline but at least he can’t get hurt. The risk of playing him in even one game before the deadline is too high. And I don’t think retaining Robert and picking up his option is even in the Sox mind. That’s all a BS bluff. Edited July 30 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: How about you have him in the lineup like he is now and scratch him right before the game to both prevent him from any potentially injury and bluff interested teams into thinking a deal is close? I'd be cool with that too lol, I just don't want to lose him for scraps which I consider Angel Acuna, or the Phillies like 10-20 ranked prospects Getz needs to get value for his talent still, I get their sentiment of looking foolish if they simply give him away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 The thing with PHI is that they have some legit CF prospects besides Crawford but they are far away from the majors so we wouldn't be able to plug them in soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 15 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: The thing with PHI is that they have some legit CF prospects besides Crawford but they are far away from the majors so we wouldn't be able to plug them in soon. Which should be fine with the timeline most of our position prospects are on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 47 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Which should be fine with the timeline most of our position prospects are on. I certainly would be fine with Dante Nori as the headliner, it's just that selfishly, the Sox are starting to become semi-fun to watch again and I think if they could get a solid CF option now, they could be closer to contending at least for a WC than many think. Anyway here is the savant scouting report on CF Dante Nori, 20 year old in Low A, who was PHI late 1st rounder last year. Current OPS is 735 in Low A so he has a ways to go at the plate but plus fielding, above avg Arm, almost double plus speed and eventually solid hit tool from LH seems great. He has alot of things Getz seems to like. If we could get Nori as the main piece and Rincones as the secondary piece that would be pretty solid. 2025 Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 65 | Arm: 55 | Field: 60 | Overall: 50 Nori’s father, Micah, is a longtime NBA assistant coach and his grandfather, Fred, recruited Kyle Schwarber to Indiana back in the day, so he’s grown up around high-level sports and coaching. Despite having impressive all-around tools and very good baseball instincts, some teams weren’t in on the Michigander because he was old for a high schooler (almost 20 at Draft time). The Phillies weren’t afraid, taking him in the first round and signing him for below slot with a $2.5 million bonus. He made his pro debut with full-season Clearwater after signing. Nori entered pro ball with a reputation of having a very advanced approach from the left side of the plate and he’s done nothing to dampen that evaluation so far. The Phillies thought he could handle a push to the Florida State League and while it was a small sample, he had competitive at-bats right out of the chute and walked in better than 24 percent of his plate appearances. He has a quick swing geared toward contact and is a solid two-strike hitter; the next step will be for him to tap into his power. He has the ability to hit the ball harder than he has, registering 100 mph exit velocities off of flips in batting practice, and he can start showing he can impact the ball more without sacrificing his hit tool. With easily plus speed, a desire to run and those good instincts, Nori will be a basestealing threat at the next level. He also uses his wheels to cover a ton of ground in the outfield with excellent reads and routes, pointing to a long future in center field. He gets plus marks for his makeup, which should help him maximize his tools Edited July 30 by SoCalChiSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I"m not as down on Luisangel as others. I can see why you'd hold out for more if you're Getz, but if it's Luisangel or nothing, I happily take Luisangel. Floor is probably relatively high given the speed and glove — worst case is you have a pinch runner and glove guy. He's only 23 years old so I think there could be room to grow at the plate. He has flashed pretty good bat speed in the majors which suggests there could be a little more power potential to tap into than you would think for such a little guy without much past evidence of power hitting. I also scratch my head at the developmental trajectory. When he first got to AA at age 20, he struggled over a month-ish of playing time. He came back the next season into a relatively high end prospect status before getting traded and having a slow finish to the year. Mets promoted him to AAA to start 2024 and he hit poorly...so they have largely had him on the MLB team since. I like to be realistic so when a guy looks like crap for a full AAA season, the most likely reason is that he's hit his limit. That being said, it's no surprise that it's been more of the same at the MLB level. Sox could afford to be more patient and perhaps get him to try lifting the ball a bit — there's some Lenyn Sosa to his profile as a hitter if he can quit pounding it into the ground like Lenyn learned to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) Would feel better abut L. Acuna if we had some path to getting some power I dont love Vientos but that at least was the path. The deadline is so huge for us because it's a point in time where Jerry is not as involved in the team building and we do better when some teams show desperation in talking w/ us (e.g Giolito/Quero) Edited July 30 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 22 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: It's not a "huge gamble" when there is no risk. He's not blocking playing time from a young player, his $20M wouldn't prohibit any competent owner from spending money elsewhere, and his value is so low that the return is going to be a longshot anyway. If they can get a decent return, do it. But giving him away because you don't want to spend $20M on what should be $150M+ in payroll flexibility is dumb. I understand Jerry won't do it, but I'm talking about what they SHOULD do, not what they WILL do. Jerry is too cheap and short-sighted to pick up the option, so Getz will get his scraps. Somehow you keep missing the point and I guess others are too since for once you're all agreeing with a move the Sox are only rumored to be willing to do. So if they do pick up the option you're all agreeing with Getz since he'd have to run it by JR to get it done. So maybe if Rosenthal is to be trusted Getz already ran it by JR and got it approved but all the other GMs think it's a bluff. Anyway back to missing the point. Thinking he's actually worth signing for $20M is the point. Just becsuse you have payroll space doesn't mean high upside guys like Robert with vast injury histories who have done nothing for 2 years are worth even close to $20M . What's the point if he sucks or gets injured which is what usually happens to him to greatly diminish his value . So great you have a guy on your roster you paid $20M for who is basically worthless to you in a non competitive season whose contract, performance or injury or all 3 will prevent you from getting anything close to fair value for him . Sounds like a really smart signing that if Getz did it you'd all be up in arms with your pitchforks out and calling him an idiot. The reason why these GMs think the Sox are bluffing is because they know it would be stupid to trust Robert to even come close to end up being worth it to a team like the Sox with nothing to gain from it. He's too likely to either suck or get hurt . I don't care if his agent is Boras, if he sucks or gets hurt the 2nd half no one is going to offer him more than $10-12M next year . People here were comparing Roberts performance to Billy Hamilton and now he's worth $20M next year all of a sudden ? Talk to me when he sets the league on fire in the 2nd half with the Sox. Until then this is all too hypothetical to argue about. My prediction is he gets traded and everyone will be pissed about the return and setting themselves up to scream that they should've kept him and picked up his option. Then you'll watch him perform poorly or get hurt with his new team or end up not getting $20M from anyone else . But you'll have the satisfaction of getting to call the Sox or Getz idiots again and no one will call you out for being wrong . Win Win just like being able to call Colson a bum or complain the Sox were stupid to call him up. At least they could still have some solace that so many agreed with their opinions that turned out wrong. Now they can just switch to complaining about him playing 3rd base . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Princess Dye said: Would feel better abut L. Acuna if we had some path to getting some power I dont love Vientos but that at least was the path. The deadline is so huge for us because it's a point in time where Jerry is not as involved in the team building Yep, I was not a fan of the idea of acquiring Vientos because his last year looks like a fluke compared to the rest of his body of work. But I’ll take Vientos all day over Acuna. At least with Vientos, you’re trying to obtain one of the things the Sox need — power. The Sox already have enough middle infielders with little to no power. Edited July 30 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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