MiddleCoastBias Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 15 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Like I said early, I would like to see a savvy move from Getz to restructure Robert’s deal before the deadline and extend him at a discount. He’s not worth $20M a year right now but it’s not like we’re getting his replacement any time soon. If you’re betting on him, keep him and work out a better deal. Bonus upside to restructuring his deal and buying out those option years is that we can still trade him later and he'll no longer be viewed as a rental* (*assuming he continues to produce at the level that he can, and that he stays even remotely healthy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 6 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said: People are really concerned about a $20M contract option next year? What gives… Do you pay the Sox bills? There is no prospect Luis Robert is blocking. Plus, 99% of the roster is prearb/arb. Trading Luis for peanuts is not worth the risk of seeing if he can put together a bounce back year next season. Maybe he is apart of a 2026 wild card run. Maybe he puts up a big first half next year and he’s gone. Maybe he puts up a dud and is done after 2026 which won’t matter because there won’t be baseball in 2027. Did you forget who the owner of this team is? He has a chance to eliminate $20M off the books for a player who is in no way shape or form earning that salary. Its not my money, I dont care about it, but I understand the man who DOES care about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 24 minutes ago, fathom said: They will leak stories about catastrophic financial losses. I cant wait for ownership to change. The vampire who owns us now needs to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty22hotty Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said: People are really concerned about a $20M contract option next year? What gives… Do you pay the Sox bills? no ones concerned we just find it hilarious that reinsdorf has to pay robert at least 5m this year, 20m next year, and then a 2m buyout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said: I cant wait for ownership to change. The vampire who owns us now needs to go away. You are just making him last longer. He feeds on our pain and anger. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said: Cedric Mullins, Harrison Bader, and the current version of Robert aren't worth dick. If Robert bounces back and has a good end to this year and a good first half next year, teams will pay for him. Robert has been pretty mediocre for 2 full seasons now, there is definitely cause for concern that a bounce back ever happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 18 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: As he should have been. What’s the point of trading him for garbage if you can keep him for two more years? One of these years he will figure it out, but not too much so his value is too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 12 minutes ago, wegner said: I like Tauchman and I will never criticize someone for putting their family first.....unless that person's name is Dominique Wheeler. I can’t hate on Wheeler. Dude made the best decision ever listening to his wife. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 17 minutes ago, Baron said: I know we've been waiting with no moves really but I completely forgot the Cubs haven't done much either. To be fully honest, while crapping on Jerry is full acceptable and due, the Cubs ownership group is the biggest group of con artists in Chicago. They have a playoff team if they show up just about any year in that division, and despite making nine figures on paper last year (which means probably significantly more with all of their neighborhood holdings, they cry poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 26 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: No, because Robert is FAR more likely to be bad than good or hurt himself next season. His track record is terrible. Get what you can and move on, they already gambled this year he would bounce back he fell flat on his face. A 40 FV prospect really doesn't do much for the Sox future. They could actually be a watchable team next year, and Robert is easily the most likely player they have or could acquire that could be a 4-5 win player. Is there some risk? Yah, sure - to JR's wallet. I don't think the risk of losing out on a back-end top 20 type prospect is really much of a gamble. Now, if they can get a legit interesting piece for him, you absolutely trade him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I can’t hate on Wheeler. Dude made the best decision ever listening to his wife. Gonna have to disagree....that last rebuild works if he signs here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said: Bonus upside to restructuring his deal and buying out those option years is that we can still trade him later and he'll no longer be viewed as a rental* (*assuming he continues to produce at the level that he can, and that he stays even remotely healthy) Even without restructuring, if he plays the remainder of the second half like he has been, or better, don't you pick up the option, and move him in the off-season? If he's healthy the rest of the year and hits, you're not really going to duplicate all of his production for less than 20 mil these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, T R U said: Robert has been pretty mediocre for 2 full seasons now, there is definitely cause for concern that a bounce back ever happens. Yeah, I don't think its a slam dunk. But its a risk you can take if you have no payroll and no other options in CF. If they sign a FA CF like Harrison Bader, what are they paying him? The amount you are risking is the difference between that one year contract and the 20 million you are paying Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I don't know how teams can or should factor this in, but LouBob's option decision is a little more complicated than most because it's still a decision that has to consider the next year as well. The upside of LouBob recreating his production from just two years ago is that you can have that below market value for two additional seasons (without being committed to the second one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 19 minutes ago, Jake said: I don't think LouBob would have much interest in restructuring. He's made a ton of money already which gives him every reason to gamble on himself going forward Fair point, but as it stands there’s a good chance his option doesn’t get picked up next season, and he’ll be playing for much less. And with his injury history, guaranteed money is a much better option than betting on himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: To be fully honest, while crapping on Jerry is full acceptable and due, the Cubs ownership group is the biggest group of con artists in Chicago. They have a playoff team if they show up just about any year in that division, and despite making nine figures on paper last year (which means probably significantly more with all of their neighborhood holdings, they cry poor. They just extended Hoyer and then he basically did nothing at the trade deadline. Replaced Flexen with Soroka? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Jake said: I don't know how teams can or should factor this in, but LouBob's option decision is a little more complicated than most because it's still a decision that has to consider the next year as well. The upside of LouBob recreating his production from just two years ago is that you can have that below market value for two additional seasons (without being committed to the second one). I think it's clear that the main teams talking about him didn't think about what's happening with him next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: A 40 FV prospect really doesn't do much for the Sox future. They could actually be a watchable team next year, and Robert is easily the most likely player they have or could acquire that could be a 4-5 win player. Is there some risk? Yah, sure - to JR's wallet. I don't think the risk of losing out on a back-end top 20 type prospect is really much of a gamble. Now, if they can get a legit interesting piece for him, you absolutely trade him. This is exactly how I feel. The downside is wasting $20M, but isn’t that actually also a win? Everybody here would be thrilled to rip $20M from JR’s wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, wegner said: Gonna have to disagree....that last rebuild works if he signs here. The way this last rebuild worked, his wife probably cheats with TLR, and destroys Wheeler forever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 14 minutes ago, wegner said: Gonna have to disagree....that last rebuild works if he signs here. Well, you would be wrong then. Wheeler has been to a WS, an NLCS, and an NLDS the past three seasons, and he has a shot at the postseason for the fourth straight year. That’s actually history… facts. It happened. Meanwhile, you are just speculating at what could have happened. Edited July 31 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: A 40 FV prospect really doesn't do much for the Sox future. They could actually be a watchable team next year, and Robert is easily the most likely player they have or could acquire that could be a 4-5 win player. Is there some risk? Yah, sure - to JR's wallet. I don't think the risk of losing out on a back-end top 20 type prospect is really much of a gamble. Now, if they can get a legit interesting piece for him, you absolutely trade him. Yep. We want them to stop spreading limited FA money across multiple low ceiling guys, and just spend a little more for an upside swing? Well... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The way this last rebuild worked, his wife probably cheats with TLR, and destroys Wheeler forever. Is it bad that I laughed really hard when I saw that but also almost threw up my chinese food from lunch? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, T R U said: Robert has been pretty mediocre for 2 full seasons now, there is definitely cause for concern that a bounce back ever happens. To be fair, the environment has been toxic for the last 3 years. It's just up until now that there is a glimmer of hope these new kids have turned around the vibes in that clubhouse. Maybe Robert can feed off that and make himself wantable next deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: This is exactly how I feel. The downside is wasting $20M, but isn’t that actually also a win? Everybody here would be thrilled to rip $20M from JR’s wallet. Right? I don't give a s%*# about Robert's $20M. I am not paying the bill. The Sox have to have a bottom 2 or 3 committed payroll in 2026 INCLUDING Robert, and they obviously will not be in on top tier FAs this offseason, so who cares? Robert at $20M is a way better bet than anyone you're going to find on the FA market. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: This is exactly how I feel. The downside is wasting $20M, but isn’t that actually also a win? Everybody here would be thrilled to rip $20M from JR’s wallet. Its not even $20M. Its the difference between $20M and the cost of his replacement. If you sign a guy for $11M, you are putting $9M at risk in hopes that you can deal him for something good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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