Chisoxfn Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 15 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: You 100% pick up that option if the offers are bad. Are you worried about our payroll breaking $40M next season? What are you saving that $20M for? Exactly - even at 20 (or you negotiate with him a slightly lower deal while you have leverage) but his tools are still loud. Heck even if he finishes strong you could pick up option and deal him in offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Holding onto Robert feels a bit like the Kimbrel QO, which led to Pollock, which led to Benintendi. Just best for both sides to part ways and move on by jettisoning the last remaining connection to 2019-2021. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 28 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: You 100% pick up that option if the offers are bad. Are you worried about our payroll breaking $40M next season? What are you saving that $20M for? Fool me once shame on you. Fool twice shame on me. If you honestly expect Robert to both stay healthy and perform when the last and one and only time he did it for close to a full season was 2023, then when he fails again in 2026 shame on the Sox if they do pick up his option and anyone who agrees with it. No one said anything about saving it or being worried about the payroll. If you have $20M to spend spend it on a couple players better than garbage dump pickups that actually might have trade value at the deadline instead of trying to get blood from that turnip again. Edited July 29 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Bluffing is a dangerous game to play as GM. If you don’t follow through with your claims, your reputation can be compromised in an instance. Feels like this one will go down to the wire regardless if opposing GMs already think Getz is full of s%*#. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 19 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Fool me once shame on you. Fool twice shame on me. If you honestly expect Robert to both stay healthy and perform when the last and one and only time he did it for close to a full season was 2023, then when he fails again in 2026 shame on the Sox if they do pick up his option and anyone who agrees with it. No one said anything about saving it or being worried about the payroll. If you have $20M to spend spend it on a couple players better than garbage dump pickups that actually might have trade value at the deadline instead of trying to get blood from that turnip again. I have no faith they would use that 20 million to sign anyone to multi-year deal or someone that could potentially have more trade value than Robert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Bluffing is a dangerous game to play as GM. If you don’t follow through with your claims, your reputation can be compromised in an instance. Feels like this one will go down to the wire regardless if opposing GMs already think Getz is full of s%*#. It's not like They have any quotes from Getz on the matter. If you trust what and who Rosenthal heard that from you'll never actually know if it's true until it actually happens. I don't think it gets that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: It's not like They have any quotes from Getz on the matter. If you trust what and who Rosenthal heard that from you'll never actually know if it's true until it actually happens. I don't think it gets that far. If what Rosenthal is saying is true, and he’s without question the best insider, then he’s likely telling teams that they need pay up or else he’s going to hold and pick up the option. Interesting this comes not longer after another insider claimed we had already been offered one top 10 prospect for Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 10 minutes ago, fathom said: I have no faith they would use that 20 million to sign anyone to multi-year deal or someone that could potentially have more trade value than Robert. I've lost all faith in your judgement. You talk about the Sox and Getz being stupid. I don't think anyone actually doing his job would do any better in the same circumstances. There's no rational for signing a guy for 1 year $20M and hoping to squeeze decent position player prospects out of these other GMs. He's not going to have a Crochet style big year and Crochet wasn't making $20M. It's a lost cause. On one hand you're saying they will or should spend $20M on Robert and on the other that they would not or you don't think they will spend $20M unless it's on Robert. Do you not realize how strange that is ? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: If what Rosenthal is saying is true, and he’s without question the best insider, then he’s likely telling teams that they need pay up or else he’s going to hold and pick up the option. Interesting this comes not longer after another insider claimed we had already been offered one top 10 prospect for Robert. So tell me what you think happens. I'm already on record saying Robert does get traded . If you don't think he gets traded do you think they pick up the option even if the rest of the season fizzles out for him ? Robert's always been a tease as a player, flashing his high side but only once staying on the field long enough to show it. Too many must love to empty their wallets to be teased again. No wonder so many use those gambling apps , the promise of the big payout suckers you in . Wise up ! Edited July 29 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 23 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: So tell me what you think happens. I'm already on record saying Robert does get traded . If you don't think he gets traded do you think they pick up the option even if the rest of the season fizzles out for him ? Honestly, I am not sure what happens. If they hold him past the deadline and he does bad down the stretch, I don’t think they pick up the option. But if he keeps playing like he has of late then maybe they would? It’s a really bad free agent OF market, which is going to increase the interest in him. And for reference, Bellinger got a 1/$17.5M deal with the Cubs coming off two similar seasons that Robert has been enduring. 1/$20M probably isn’t that far off for a pillow contract estimate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Honestly, I am not sure what happens. If they hold him past the deadline and he does bad down the stretch, I don’t think they pick up the option. But if he keeps playing like he has of late then maybe they would? It’s a really bad free agent OF market, which is going to increase the interest in him. And for reference, Bellinger got a 1/$17.5M deal with the Cubs coming off two similar seasons that Robert has been enduring. 1/$20M probably isn’t that far off for a pillow contract estimate. Bellinger had injuries but also had more productive seasons when not injured. His 1st 3 years age 21-24 he had 15.3 fWar. He also Ks less and walked a lot more than Robert. He's also left-handed which helps immensely when most pitchers are RH. Robert has 12.8 fWar career . You're counting on a lot to happen to get $20M pillow contract as a FA, a healthy and productive 50 or so games . But right now that's not where he's at .But even with getting hot and being dangerous on the bases and elite defensively and Getz willing to pay most of his contract why does it seem so hard to get a decent position player prospect for him and a flyer and why are people here throwing Taylor into the deal ? Yet those same people are saying pick up his option ? Something is not computing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 15 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: It’s like buying and holding a stock that carries more downside risk than upside potential. Value continues deteriorating and you keep telling yourself well maybe if I just hold on to it another 6 months things will improve. 6 months later you’ve dug yourself an even deeper hole and eventually cut bait at a sizable loss. The longer the Sox hold on to Robert the more his value deteriorates. Take what you can get and move on. ^Re: the idea of picking up the $20M option for the 2026 season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 6 hours ago, fathom said: I have no faith they would use that 20 million to sign anyone to multi-year deal or someone that could potentially have more trade value than Robert. Another Fedde type signing would be nice. The old man OF signings of Tauchman/Slater/Taylor has produced 2.0 fWAR this season. Not bad for ~$6M combined. Getz has certainly had his misses in FA too but I’d argue he’s done better with the dumpster dive signings than Hahn ever did. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Another Fedde type signing would be nice. The old man OF signings of Tauchman/Slater/Taylor has produced 2.0 fWAR this season. Not bad for ~$6M combined. Getz has certainly had his misses in FA too but I’d argue he’s done better with the dumpster dive signings than Hahn ever did. Yeah the outfield signings have been productive this year, but it doesn’t seem like they will get anything of substance back for them. I also don’t think JR has any intention to lock in deals for after the CBA expires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 8 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Fool me once shame on you. Fool twice shame on me. If you honestly expect Robert to both stay healthy and perform when the last and one and only time he did it for close to a full season was 2023, then when he fails again in 2026 shame on the Sox if they do pick up his option and anyone who agrees with it. No one said anything about saving it or being worried about the payroll. If you have $20M to spend spend it on a couple players better than garbage dump pickups that actually might have trade value at the deadline instead of trying to get blood from that turnip again. Dude. Their payroll next season is $20M. Spending another $20M on Luis Robert should not restrict ANY competent owner from spending an additional $20M elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Robert’s xwOBA is .321, which is about league average for hitter. A guy who can play CF and run the bases like he does is probably a 3.5 win player with that type of offensive production. That would theoretically provide surplus value at 1/$20M. Discount some for injury and it would be about break-even. It also ignores the fact that no player performing like that would ever be available on a one year deal with another team option. It also ignores the fact that Robert has been much better than league average over the past month and might be figuring things out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Not getting him yesterday might have already cost the Phillies 1 WAR. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, fathom said: Yeah the outfield signings have been productive this year, but it doesn’t seem like they will get anything of substance back for them. I also don’t think JR has any intention to lock in deals for after the CBA expires. The trade return for two of the Sox expiring contract outfielders (Grossman and Eloy) last season have already retired. 🤣 Simply giving the playing time to young players is probably more valuable than whatever the lottery tickets are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 43 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Dude. Their payroll next season is $20M. Spending another $20M on Luis Robert should not restrict ANY competent owner from spending an additional $20M elsewhere. I see the problem right here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 What I don't understand is the notion that no one can meet Roberts' price, so the Sox will hold him until someone can afford him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 27 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Still don't believe the White Sox are going to pick up the option even if they have the $$$ to do so, but that's smart of them to see if they can get one of these teams to flinch and give up a player that the Sox want back. We'll see. I would still expect most reaction to be underwhelmed by the return, and I still think the Sox do move on. I'm one of those not opposed to keeping him either even if he's overpaid. CF is one of those spots where they don't have an option and I'd still rather have his defense for another season and maybe things continue to improve offensively. A lot can change, but the White Sox, if they keep Robert, will have the makings of a better offensive team next season with the young talent and they do need to complement that core with meaningful veteran talent. Robert hasn't been that person, but he's here and they can control that. Saying all that, I still think it's close to 100% that he's traded as early as tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 22 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The trade return for two of the Sox expiring contract outfielders (Grossman and Eloy) last season have already retired. 🤣 Simply giving the playing time to young players is probably more valuable than whatever the lottery tickets are. Which young players would you give playing time to? Guys who can’t even hit in Charlotte? The reality is we have no young players to give the playing time to other than Baldwin. Hopefully that changes very soon, but having a couple veterans who can provide some lineup stability has value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I see the problem right here. Is $20M considered to be overpaid for a light hitting, plus defensive player with upside potential (but also a constant injury risk who needs to be managed? What would Robert get on the open market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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