southsider2k5 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said: They could keep him, buy out his option, offer him a QA, and when he signs somewhere, the draft pick will probably be worth more than anything they get for him. Why would you decline a $20 million option to offer someone MORE in a QO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 18 minutes ago, ptatc said: Good point. That draft pick may be worth it. I don't know how that works with the option years though. If they decline the option, can they still give him a QO? Yes they can. And if this really is what he is, and the QO tanks his value, they can resign him at a cheaper $10M, or whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 31 minutes ago, WestEddy said: They could keep him, buy out his option, offer him a QA, and when he signs somewhere, the draft pick will probably be worth more than anything they get for him. I’m confused. I thought the options are to either give Robert his $20 million team option for 2026 or buy him out for $2 million? Once they buy him out, he becomes a free agent. You are saying they can still offer him a qualifying offer after that? Even if that’s possible, I don’t see Jerry taking the risk (see Carlos Rodon). Edited May 15 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 23 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m confused. I thought the options are to either give Robert his $20 million team option for 2026 or buy him out for $2 million? Once they buy him out, he becomes a free agent. You are saying they can still offer him a qualifying offer after that? Even if that’s possible, I don’t see Jerry taking the risk (see Carlos Rodon). I believe a team can not offer a QO if they buyout a contract. However, if a player has an opt out and does, a team can offer him the QO. I could be wrong on that first part though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I believe a team can not offer a QO if they buyout a contract. However, if a player has an opt out and does, a team can offer him the QO. I could be wrong on that first part though. This makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 14 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I believe a team can not offer a QO if they buyout a contract. However, if a player has an opt out and does, a team can offer him the QO. I could be wrong on that first part though. Google AI agrees with you… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 22 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I believe a team can not offer a QO if they buyout a contract. However, if a player has an opt out and does, a team can offer him the QO. I could be wrong on that first part though. It doesn't make any sense anyways, why would you decline a $20M option only to offer him MORE money? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 6 minutes ago, T R U said: It doesn't make any sense anyways, why would you decline a $20M option only to offer him MORE money? Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 30 minutes ago, T R U said: It doesn't make any sense anyways, why would you decline a $20M option only to offer him MORE money? Looking at last year, the qualifying offer was about 21 million. If they are fairly certain someone would sign him for more, they would get the draft pick. If not, its not a significant amount more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 40 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Google AI agrees with you… Weird, Google AI gave me the opposite answer. I appealed to the AI engine's ego by calling it a wise, handsome AI engine, so maybe it just gave me the answer I wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 32 minutes ago, T R U said: It doesn't make any sense anyways, why would you decline a $20M option only to offer him MORE money? Just spit-balling the options. If Robert kills his TDL value, but rakes the last two months of the season, he may feel he's worth much more than 2/40. Edited May 15 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 9 minutes ago, ptatc said: Looking at last year, the qualifying offer was about 21 million. If they are fairly certain someone would sign him for more, they would get the draft pick. If not, its not a significant amount more. Or he sees this a chance to do a one year rebound deal with a bigger salary and we get nothing at all for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Or he sees this a chance to do a one year rebound deal with a bigger salary and we get nothing at all for him. Right now, it's looking like various shades of nothing, or at best, an exchange of projects. If he does the "one year rebound" with the Sox, you still have the chance to trade him at the 2026 TDL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Weird, Google AI gave me the opposite answer. I appealed to the AI engine's ego by calling it a wise, handsome AI engine, so maybe it just gave me the answer I wanted. I called it a filthy slut. It must like dirty talk more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Right now, it's looking like various shades of nothing, or at best, an exchange of projects. If he does the "one year rebound" with the Sox, you still have the chance to trade him at the 2026 TDL. Why would he choose to do a one year rebound with the Sox though, over a team in competition? He’s gotta be looking for a change of scenery at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 11 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Right now, it's looking like various shades of nothing, or at best, an exchange of projects. If he does the "one year rebound" with the Sox, you still have the chance to trade him at the 2026 TDL. Which you also have if you pay him a million dollars less AND preserve the QO by not offering it to him this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 18 minutes ago, ptatc said: Looking at last year, the qualifying offer was about 21 million. If they are fairly certain someone would sign him for more, they would get the draft pick. If not, its not a significant amount more. Look at it this way, you would have to decline his option ($2M) and then offer a QO ($21M+) for a total investment of around $23-24M dollars in an attempt to MAYBE get a draft pick. However, if you are OK with having him back at that price then you would be foolish to not just opt in to him at $20M. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Which you also have if you pay him a million dollars less AND preserve the QO by not offering it to him this year. Again, just spit-balling options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, T R U said: Look at it this way, you would have to decline his option ($2M) and then offer a QO ($21M+) for a total investment of around $23-24M dollars in an attempt to MAYBE get a draft pick. However, if you are OK with having him back at that price then you would be foolish to not just opt in to him at $20M. I know one guy who isn’t going to approve either option, hypothetical or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 3 hours ago, JoeC said: I'm confused - didn't they all get traded and/or allowed to walk away as free agents? In the case of Baines, he was traded away at two different trade deadlines. Durham was literally dumped at the trade deadline for (for all intents and purposes) nothing. I met Ray Durham playing mini golf in the Chicago burbs in 2002. Had a real nice conversation with him, and he talked about how they were about to go on a run. He was traded like two weeks later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, T R U said: Look at it this way, you would have to decline his option ($2M) and then offer a QO ($21M+) for a total investment of around $23-24M dollars in an attempt to MAYBE get a draft pick. However, if you are OK with having him back at that price then you would be foolish to not just opt in to him at $20M. They would need to be ready to have him return. That's why I said if they had a reasonable idea that someone would offer him a contract. The 3-4 million could be worth the chance for the draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 8 minutes ago, ptatc said: They would need to be ready to have him return. That's why I said if they had a reasonable idea that someone would offer him a contract. The 3-4 million could be worth the chance for the draft pick. I know we are just throwing stuff at the wall here but If Luis Robert is good enough that you want to keep him around it just makes no sense to decline his option and risk losing him for a comp pick at the end of the first or second round. If he's good enough to keep, you'll get more than that in a trade anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 35 minutes ago, T R U said: I know we are just throwing stuff at the wall here but If Luis Robert is good enough that you want to keep him around it just makes no sense to decline his option and risk losing him for a comp pick at the end of the first or second round. If he's good enough to keep, you'll get more than that in a trade anyways. All depends on how much they want to keep him. It's along the lines of we could keep him he would help but a draft pick may be worth it to lose him. You're right though. The odds of his performance being exactly at that level is slim. Odds are his performance will show its inevitable or the other, keep him or buy him out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, T R U said: I know we are just throwing stuff at the wall here but If Luis Robert is good enough that you want to keep him around it just makes no sense to decline his option and risk losing him for a comp pick at the end of the first or second round. If he's good enough to keep, you'll get more than that in a trade anyways. If he is good enough to decline a qualifying offer, he is good enough to get traded before the deadline. At the very least, he would be good enough to pick up the option on, and then try to trade over the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 25 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If he is good enough to decline a qualifying offer, he is good enough to get traded before the deadline. At the very least, he would be good enough to pick up the option on, and then try to trade over the winter. What if its that he has a great second half? Also stays healthy for the while year? That is one of the primary issues with his trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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