southsider2k5 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 10 hours ago, TheBooneLoganEra said: Even if they're not taking him seriously....why the hell not? There is literally nothing blocking anyone here. For Christ sake they just need to go full Costanza....start doing the opposite of every natural instinct they have. Now we are talking 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 10 hours ago, 2Deep said: Someone explain to me why Tim ELKO can't be our DH over guys like maton and Palacios Elko will get his shot at some point this season. The current outcry for Elko cracks me up a bit. Same people will be moaning about how bad he is when he starts 5/50 with 30 Ks. It'll be interesting to see how Sox manage the catcher situation. I think Quero will be DHing a lot and Thaiss and Lee will still be catching most of the time. That means Elko doesn't really have a spot to play unless they cut AV, which we all know isn't happening 20 games into the season. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Elko will get his shot at some point this season. The current outcry for Elko cracks me up a bit. Same people will be moaning about how bad he is when he starts 5/50 with 30 Ks. It'll be interesting to see how Sox manage the catcher situation. I think Quero will be DHing a lot and Thaiss and Lee will still be catching most of the time. That means Elko doesn't really have a spot to play unless they cut AV, which we all know isn't happening 20 games into the season. I don’t think anyone thinks Elko will be some sort of savior. It’s just that Vaughn is terrible and Maton is the primary DH. Also, Elko isn’t getting any younger (27 in December) so it seems reasonable to see what he can do. But to your point, since Quero will likely see time at DH, Vaughn is probably the guy who needs to go to make room for Elko. Edited April 17 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 For me, it’s just wanting to move past the guys of the last failed rebuild. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I don’t think anyone thinks Elko will be some sort of savior. It’s just that Vaughn is terrible and Maton is the primary DH. Also, Elko isn’t getting any younger (27 in December) so it seems reasonable to see what he can do. But to your point, since Quero will likely see time at DH, Vaughn is probably the guy who needs to go to make room for Elko. Ya. They are not cutting Vaughn 20 games into the season for a guy that is like 4 months younger and almost certainly worse. I'm not an AV guy (who can be at this point?), and the writing is on the wall that this is his last season with the Sox. I don't see how he can play himself into a tender for 26. And I'm not against cutting him if he continues to blow for another 50 games and confirms he untradeable. At that point, ya cut him and try Elko. I'm not even opposed to Elko taking Matons roster spot for the time being. But your bench just gets really inflexible with 3 catchers and 2 1B only at that point, and Elko plays maybe 2 days a week. What's that accomplish? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 45 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Elko will get his shot at some point this season. The current outcry for Elko cracks me up a bit. Same people will be moaning about how bad he is when he starts 5/50 with 30 Ks. It'll be interesting to see how Sox manage the catcher situation. I think Quero will be DHing a lot and Thaiss and Lee will still be catching most of the time. That means Elko doesn't really have a spot to play unless they cut AV, which we all know isn't happening 20 games into the season. I like Elko as a prospect but like, he went to the Tim Anderson School of Free Swinging. People also need to cool it with the "proven winner" stuff. He was teammates with Jacob Gonzalez for those college victories, so that makes Gonzo just as much of a "proven winner." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Sacamano Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 12 minutes ago, Quin said: I like Elko as a prospect but like, he went to the Tim Anderson School of Free Swinging. People also need to cool it with the "proven winner" stuff. He was teammates with Jacob Gonzalez for those college victories, so that makes Gonzo just as much of a "proven winner." Yeah I don’t buy in to the proven winner s%*# if it happened in college or even minor leagues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 16 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Farewell, prodigal son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 15 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah I don’t buy in to the proven winner s%*# if it happened in college or even minor leagues. Dallas Keuchel was famously a proven winner until he couldn't pitch 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: Elko will get his shot at some point this season. The current outcry for Elko cracks me up a bit. Same people will be moaning about how bad he is when he starts 5/50 with 30 Ks. It'll be interesting to see how Sox manage the catcher situation. I think Quero will be DHing a lot and Thaiss and Lee will still be catching most of the time. That means Elko doesn't really have a spot to play unless they cut AV, which we all know isn't happening 20 games into the season. Eh, honestly, with the failures of the people in front of him, I think giving the kid a chance, even if he massively fails, isn't a crazy ask. I think the frustration lies with doing things we KNOW don't work. I think the non-tender Vaughn crowd led by about a 90-10 margin this offseason, so it isn't surprising people are coming for Vaughn either. The Sox have a weird obversion to certain young players, despite a raging need for players who do exactly what they do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 56 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Ya. They are not cutting Vaughn 20 games into the season for a guy that is like 4 months younger and almost certainly worse. I'm not an AV guy (who can be at this point?), and the writing is on the wall that this is his last season with the Sox. I don't see how he can play himself into a tender for 26. And I'm not against cutting him if he continues to blow for another 50 games and confirms he untradeable. At that point, ya cut him and try Elko. I'm not even opposed to Elko taking Matons roster spot for the time being. But your bench just gets really inflexible with 3 catchers and 2 1B only at that point, and Elko plays maybe 2 days a week. What's that accomplish? Agreed. I don’t think they would consider cutting Vaughn this early in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I sure hope it was an Options numbers game, because otherwise Jones at least has a defined purpose on a team that has no offense. Palacios has no purpose on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 22 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed. I don’t think they would consider cutting Vaughn this early in the season. I can't wait for Andrew "Cruise Control" Vaughn to get us a Top 50 prospect out of absolute nowhere at the deadline. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 9 minutes ago, Quin said: I can't wait for Andrew "Cruise Control" Vaughn to get us a Top 50 prospect out of absolute nowhere at the deadline. The 50th best catcher at low A. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The 50th best catcher at low A. I'm thinking a Sammy Zavala caliber hitter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 26 minutes ago, Capn12 said: I sure hope it was an Options numbers game, because otherwise Jones at least has a defined purpose on a team that has no offense. Palacios has no purpose on the team. Palacios is is in fact out of options. He's probably safe until one of Tauchman or Slater return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Eh, honestly, with the failures of the people in front of him, I think giving the kid a chance, even if he massively fails, isn't a crazy ask. I think the frustration lies with doing things we KNOW don't work. I think the non-tender Vaughn crowd led by about a 90-10 margin this offseason, so it isn't surprising people are coming for Vaughn either. The Sox have a weird obversion to certain young players, despite a raging need for players who do exactly what they do. I get it. Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine seeing Elko. The roster construction just doesn't make a lot of sense unless AV is cut. I just don't see that happening just yet. I certainly understand why people want him cut. But those same people are the people talking about how great Sheets is now after slamming him for 3 years. Best case scenario for the Sox is AV starts hitting and you can get a live arm for him in July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 9 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I get it. Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine seeing Elko. The roster construction just doesn't make a lot of sense unless AV is cut. I just don't see that happening just yet. I certainly understand why people want him cut. But those same people are the people talking about how great Sheets is now after slamming him for 3 years. Best case scenario for the Sox is AV starts hitting and you can get a live arm for him in July. I am not quite ready to proclaim Sheets fixed yet, but it will raise some red flags if San Diego is able to to fix him that quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 35 minutes ago, Capn12 said: I sure hope it was an Options numbers game, because otherwise Jones at least has a defined purpose on a team that has no offense. Palacios has no purpose on the team. How dare you say the Sporcle Quiz has no purpose?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 18 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I am not quite ready to proclaim Sheets fixed yet, but it will raise some red flags if San Diego is able to to fix him that quickly. If Chris Getz and anyone he hires can't fix him, he can't be fixed. But seriously, didn't he start out hot last season as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Sheets going the opposite way so far a full two times his career average. Maybe he did make an actual adjustment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 20 minutes ago, 46DidIt said: Sheets going the opposite way so far a full two times his career average. Maybe he did make an actual adjustment Maybe. Sheets seems like a guy that because of his status is willing to try things that might be scary at first. He's always been a bit of an afterthought and had to hit his way up, even as a fairly high draft pick. Vaughn was just handed a started job and was never demoted or had to face the reality of losing playing time. We just keep trotting him out there and so he probably thinks well, why change anything? I don't think any other org would have tendered him. They would have tried to do some incentive laden deal at best with a team option or vesting options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, Quin said: I can't wait for Andrew "Cruise Control" Vaughn to get us a Top 50 prospect out of absolute nowhere at the deadline. Hahahahah. Seriously, Cruise Control best start brushing up on Korean culture, cuz he's not long for the Majors. Edited April 17 by Tnetennba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: If Chris Getz and anyone he hires can't fix him, he can't be fixed. But seriously, didn't he start out hot last season as well? He was one of the three guys who was hitting in April. Like, DeJong, Lee and Sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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