1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

I get it. Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine seeing Elko. The roster construction just doesn't make a lot of sense unless AV is cut. I just don't see that happening just yet. I certainly understand why people want him cut. But those same people are the people talking about how great Sheets is now after slamming him for 3 years. 
 

Best case scenario for the Sox is AV starts hitting and you can get a live arm for him in July. 

Eh, there are plenty of us who recognize that both suck, and we saw plenty of Sheets to know a hot start elsewhere is likely unsustainable.

Non-tendering Vaughn last winter was the right move, and he's yet to prove otherwise. Another terrible start just validates those who are ready to move on from him right now.

Greg Jones...Lotta great memories there.

 

41 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Maybe. Sheets seems like a guy that because of his status is willing to try things that might be scary at first. He's always been a bit of an afterthought and had to hit his way up, even as a fairly high draft pick. Vaughn was just handed a started job and was never demoted or had to face the reality of losing playing time. We just keep trotting him out there and so he probably thinks well, why change anything? I don't think any other org would have tendered him. They would have tried to do some incentive laden deal at best with a team option or vesting options.

Giants, Pirates, Mariners - other teams are getting worse out of their 1B choices. Of course, nobody's "trading up" for Vaughn, but he's a type that will make the rounds for the next few years. 

9 minutes ago, bmags said:

Greg Jones...Lotta great memories there.

 

I will always enjoy his strikeout per at bat every time Getz decides to call him up.

58 minutes ago, bmags said:

Greg Jones...Lotta great memories there.

 

I remember that one time

1 hour ago, Tnetennba said:

Eh, there are plenty of us who recognize that both suck, and we saw plenty of Sheets to know a hot start elsewhere is likely unsustainable.

Non-tendering Vaughn last winter was the right move, and he's yet to prove otherwise. Another terrible start just validates those who are ready to move on from him right now.

Call me crazy, but I don't think under 20 April games is enough to validate anything at all. 

7 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Call me crazy, but I don't think under 20 April games is enough to validate anything at all. 

Vaughn's history of being bad is longer than 20 games this April though.

21 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Vaughn's history of being bad is longer than 20 games this April though.

Seriously, has he had any other history? 

32 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Vaughn's history of being bad is longer than 20 games this April though.

Sure. But Vaughn was also pretty playable June on last season. I believe his wRC+ was around 115 after June 1st.  Not really defending the guy - he's been a huge disappointment - but cutting him under 20 games into this season to make room for a guy that is the same age and isn't really much of prospect is pretty silly. But he's shown stretches as recently as the last four months of last season that he is at least a playable major league bat.  Obviously the fact he brings next to nothing to the table certainly does not help. 

I just think unless he continues to be absolutely terrible into the early summer and trade season, we may as well just see if he can get hot and become tradeable.  Though admittedly, he's not going to return much even if that scenario plays out. 

9 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Sure. But Vaughn was also pretty playable June on last season. I believe his wRC+ was around 115 after June 1st.  Not really defending the guy - he's been a huge disappointment - but cutting him under 20 games into this season to make room for a guy that is the same age and isn't really much of prospect is pretty silly. But he's shown stretches as recently as the last four months of last season that he is at least a playable major league bat.  Obviously the fact he brings next to nothing to the table certainly does not help. 

I just think unless he continues to be absolutely terrible into the early summer and trade season, we may as well just see if he can get hot and become tradeable.  Though admittedly, he's not going to return much even if that scenario plays out. 

I just think they should find an injury that vaughn is suffering through for a bit. I'm skeptical Elko is good, but similar to Remillard...he's a player that isn't as stained by the stink of losing. Better than Remilliard - he's led winning teams since college (maybe not all true).

Meanwhile all I can think about with Vaughn is how unbelievably dumb we are.

6 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

Elko will get his shot at some point this season. The current outcry for Elko cracks me up a bit. Same people will be moaning about how bad he is when he starts 5/50 with 30 Ks. 

It'll be interesting to see how Sox manage the catcher situation. I think Quero will be DHing a lot and Thaiss and Lee will still be catching most of the time. That means Elko doesn't really have a spot to play unless they cut AV, which we all know isn't happening 20 games into the season. 

How can you be so sure of this statement?!

It's not an outcry, it's the concept that I have to watch dudes like Palacios and Maton who have no future on the team let alone MLB.

Baldwin would make an interesting, although for some, unconventional first basemen. He offers a lot more athleticism than AV, is a LH bat, yet still has power. Meanwhile, I like Lenyn Sosa at SS and Meidroth at 2B. Waiting to see how Ramos is doing and if he will be brought up. He showed some power last season which would be great.

6 minutes ago, tray said:

Baldwin would make an interesting, although for some, unconventional first basemen. He offers a lot more athleticism than AV, is a LH bat, yet still has power. Meanwhile, I like Lenyn Sosa at SS and Meidroth at 2B. Waiting to see how Ramos is doing and if he will be brought up. He showed some power last season which would be great.

There’s a reason they don’t play Sosa at SS.

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

There’s a reason they don’t play Sosa at SS.

Yea, my bad. I was thinking backwards because I prefer Meidroth at 2B.

I would have brought up Kyle Teel because he is a better fit, in my opinion, with the Chase Meidroth  vibe and he is an athletic catcher. I'm sure Quero is good also, but that's just my opinion.

Edited April 17, 2025Apr 17 by tray

5 hours ago, bmags said:

Greg Jones...Lotta great memories there.

 

the fact that he was wearing Rockies gear is pretty memorable/humiliating for the team. don't they do equipment checks? I feel like the Sox would be the only team in the MLB to not do that. 

14 minutes ago, nrockway said:

the fact that he was wearing Rockies gear is pretty memorable/humiliating for the team. don't they do equipment checks? I feel like the Sox would be the only team in the MLB to not do that. 

Here we thought Colorado at 3-15 and -51 rs/ra was trying to "outsuck" the Sox even...

8 hours ago, 46DidIt said:

Sheets going the opposite way so far a full two times his career average. Maybe he did make an actual adjustment

Yes it's called being in the lower part of the order behind a kick ass lineup.

That fixes a lot of hitters.

4 hours ago, 2Deep said:

How can you be so sure of this statement?!

It's not an outcry, it's the concept that I have to watch dudes like Palacios and Maton who have no future on the team let alone MLB.

The 30.5% K rate vs 6.7% BB rate against minor league pitching might be a pretty good indicator this dude would get torched by big league pitching. 

I am fine with Elko playing over those 2. But those two aren't really going to be playing much with Quero up and Beni back, and soon Lee returning. I think one of Quero / Beni will be at DH most days. 

Edited April 18, 2025Apr 18 by ChiSox59

4 hours ago, tray said:

Baldwin would make an interesting, although for some, unconventional first basemen. He offers a lot more athleticism than AV, is a LH bat, yet still has power. Meanwhile, I like Lenyn Sosa at SS and Meidroth at 2B. Waiting to see how Ramos is doing and if he will be brought up. He showed some power last season which would be great.

Sosa can go too

6 hours ago, Texsox said:

Seriously, has he had any other history? 

Ya. .250 BA, 15-20 jacks....75 or so RBI.  It'll be worse this year, tho.

50 minutes ago, Ducksnort said:

Sosa can go too

He was the only hitter for the Sox against the A's, basically.

6 base hits.

But his defense will ALWAYS be a liability wherever he plays, unless he just concentrates on one singular position and practices it relentlessly like Alex Gordon in LF for the Royals when he shifted from 3B.   It also requires coaching, like a Ron Washington or Rusty Kuntz who will push Sosa beyond what he think he's capable.

If he's only a 675-700 hitter, that's good enough for a bad/horrific White Sox team, but his defense will knock his fWAR down into the 0.5-1.5 range in all probability.

6 hours ago, nrockway said:

the fact that he was wearing Rockies gear is pretty memorable/humiliating for the team. don't they do equipment checks? I feel like the Sox would be the only team in the MLB to not do that. 

That requires Jerry to care and spend money.

23 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

The 30.5% K rate vs 6.7% BB rate against minor league pitching might be a pretty good indicator this dude would get torched by big league pitching. 

I am fine with Elko playing over those 2. But those two aren't really going to be playing much with Quero up and Beni back, and soon Lee returning. I think one of Quero / Beni will be at DH most days. 

I don't like giving up on guys without giving them a chance.  Lee is on IL.....why not DH Elko.

Your logic makes no sense.......I don't care if Elko K's 30% of the time, he would still be a better MLB player then Palacios and maton.  I will bet you a bottle of bourbon on that.

This is a bunch of nonsense!!  Give the man a chance  

If he sucks then you move on..............it's better then jabronis like Maton and Palacios getting AB's

Man do we suck!!!!!!!!!

Edited April 19, 2025Apr 19 by 2Deep

Omar has self-yeeted himself from the White Sox and declared free agency instead of going back to the minors.

Not much of a future with four catchers ahead of him on the depth chart...three much younger.