Offense is just trash

[Baron]

It absolutely is right now. But I think we're about to have a big influx of new faces really soon. 

[WestEddy]

28 minutes ago, JoshPR said:

Even if you get 2 seasons of Elko being palkaish until you either sign someone(not likely) or get lucky and draft and develop someone(winning the lottery higher probability) 

Or the Sox finally realizing a glut of OF and IF prospects, one of whom plays their position worse than the rest, and can be slotted in at 1B. I see Lenyn Sosa as an early version of that. 

[WestEddy]

22 minutes ago, whitesoxfan99 said:

Basically 3 games carrying all the water for this offense (and 3 of their 4 wins) and they have been absolutely atrocious in basically every other game.  

And the Sox didn't even have those 3 games last year, which is another way to measure 2025's offense being better than 2024's. In the first 17 games, the White Sox scored as many as 7 runs once. 

[fathom]

32 minutes ago, whitesoxfan99 said:

Basically 3 games carrying all the water for this offense (and 3 of their 4 wins) and they have been absolutely atrocious in basically every other game.  

They’re solid against LHP and one of the worst offenses I’ve seen against RHP

[WBWSF]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

8 of their 13 losses have been by 3 runs or less, 3 have been walked-off. 

If JR had spent some money this past off season  on 2 hitters the record would be alot better. Obviously he is content with this losing team AND LOW PAYROLL.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

1 hour ago, Tomtom said:

Sox coaching has no clue how to develop talent, specifically hitters.  Pitchers adjust to them, but Sox Coaches have no clue how to adjust back.

I don’t know. It’s not like Eloy, Madrigal, Moncada, Timmy have gone on to have great success after their Sox careers.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

48 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

If JR had spent some money this past off season  on 2 hitters the record would be alot better. Obviously he is content with this losing team AND LOW PAYROLL.

Offense would look completely different with Alonso and Santander instead of Vaughn and Palacios but boy did I get a lot of pushback for wanting to pay for a big bat like Alonso even though he’d clearly be the face of the franchise for several years (instead of Andrew Vaughn lol)

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Or the Sox finally realizing a glut of OF and IF prospects, one of whom plays their position worse than the rest, and can be slotted in at 1B. I see Lenyn Sosa as an early version of that. 

Sosa hasn’t shown he can hit enough to be a very productive 1B.  Are we just going to stick him at 1B because we have nowhere else to play him, even though we likely know he will never hit well enough to be a legit 1B?

Edited April 17 by WhiteSox2023

[southsider2k5]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

And Slater may not even play on this team again, this year. When Benintendi, Tuchman and Drury are back, there's no room to carry 5 dedicated OFs. 

Counting your chickens a little quickly there?  Didn't we learn this lesson, oh, last year?

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

Heck, even simply replacing Andrew Vaughn with Pete Alonso would move the Sox from #26 in mlb to #16 in mlb on a total team fWAR basis from batters. Add in guys like Santander and Kim, who is expected to return in a month, plus the young guys that they’re promoting from AAA and it could have been a very interesting season in a weak AL. Oh well. Guess we sit here and just wait for Ishbia to take the reins..

Edited April 17 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE

[JoshPR]

40 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Sosa hasn’t shown he can hit enough to be a very productive 1B.  Are we just going to stick him at 1B because we have nowhere else to play him, even though we likely know he will never hit well enough to be a legit 1B?

You could judge that if he had constant ATbats

[caulfield12]

 

Eceryone in lineup today under 700 ops but Meidroth...Baldwin 699   hitters 2-4 horrifically similar

Meidroth2B	R	0	0	0	.286	.730
Robert Jr.CF	R	1	4	6	.143	.448
Vaughn1B	R	2	8	0	.131	.447
Vargas, M3B	R	0	6	1	.143	.445
Sosa, LDH	R	1	5	0	.259	.656
Taylor, MRF	R	1	2	2	.200	.634
QueroC	S	-	-	-	-	-
BaldwinLF	S	2	8	1	.267	.699
AmayaSS	R	0	3	1	.108	.263

Edited April 17 by caulfield12

[Dick Allen]

Sox 2-3-4 hitters today are all hitting under .150.

The hitting guru Getz hired because he was lucky enough the Orioles fired him, is already paying off.

Edited April 17 by Dick Allen

[WhiteSox2023]

22 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Sox 2-3-4 hitters today are all hitting under .150.

The hitting guru Getz hired because he was lucky enough the Orioles fired him, is already paying off.

Fuller wasn’t fired!  It was a “mutual parting of the ways.”  Nevermind that the Orioles offense tanked in the second half of the season and in the postseason.  Definitely not canned, nope!

Edited April 17 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Sosa hasn’t shown he can hit enough to be a very productive 1B.  Are we just going to stick him at 1B because we have nowhere else to play him, even though we likely know he will never hit well enough to be a legit 1B?

Yeah, but Sosa has shown he can hit enough to be a productive Andrew Vaughn, which is what we have now. All things being equal (like hitting like s%*# well into May) Sosa's cheaper, and is out of options. They're going to keep looking at internal options and grabbing the odd Corey Julks off the waiver wire. 

[WestEddy]

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Counting your chickens a little quickly there?  Didn't we learn this lesson, oh, last year?

About taking wild guesses for idle conversation? Please tell me where I'm advocating DFAing everybody right now. I surmise that Slater could come off the IL facing a full 26 and 40 man situation. Sure, all 6 of their veteran OF options could keep see-sawing on and off the IL through July 31st. But by then, Brooks Baldwin and Ramos could force the issue for OF time. 

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, JoshPR said:

You could judge that if he had constant ATbats

Maybe, but he has a career .608 OPS in 634 career plate appearances.  It’s doubtful that he will ever even hit as well as Vaughn.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

5 hours ago, wegner said:

If you think that indicates they are close to competing, I'd have to disagree. Plus their schedule so far has not even been against competitive teams.

Not close to competing but better. They are bad and inconsistent but lots of injuries too. So many TJ surgeries among the pitching depth. Amazing to me they found Shane Smith and Mike Vasil. Both pitching way beyond reasonable expectations. Knock on wood that those 2 continue to pitch well.

It'll be nice to see Meidroth, Baldwin and Quero playing together.

I'm sort of in the Elko camp just because I'd expect him to run into a few more HRs than Vaughn. If you're going to have a weak offense that has a few guys who can take walks you may have well have a few guys with big power hitting behind them even if they K or the hit tool isn't there.

Like others have said I don't see them giving up on Vaughn this early. But I would stick him in the minors just to give Elko a shot even though that'll mean another DFA from the 40 to add him.  His stats are screaming call me up while Vaughn's are screaming you should have non-tendered me but since you didn't send me down to Charlotte.

Edited April 17 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[hi8is]

6 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I genuinely think TA was a guy whose entire built-up persona was damaged heavily by the baby mama stuff and then getting stuck by Ramirez just devastated his confidence and he has never recovered.  Remember he was doing all the image building with the photography and I think he even had (or was rumored to have) a sponsorship with a car brand at one quick point 

Good riddance 

[Sambuca]

The White Sox lineup is an OPS black hole.  

Year by year, day by day, it is honestly amazing to me how much lower their regular players’ OPS can shrink. 

I used to believe there’s no way each individual can stay this bad, but then every player does the unthinkable and actually lowers their pathetic floor.

They have normalized the .400 OPS.

Please bring back mired mediocrity. 

[southsider2k5]

20 minutes ago, Sambuca said:

The White Sox lineup is an OPS black hole.  

Year by year, day by day, it is honestly amazing to me how much lower their regular players’ OPS can shrink. 

I used to believe there’s no way each individual can stay this bad, but then every player does the unthinkable and actually lowers their pathetic floor.

They have normalized the .400 OPS.

Please bring back mired mediocrity. 

FIFY

[zisk]

The V boys(vaughn,vargas) should both be released May 1st if they don't have a massive turnaround.

Making bad draft choices and horrible trades worse by keeping them on the field sends a message.

It says no matter how bad we screw the pooch, our vanity is more important than trying to win. It's

time to change course.

 

[TBrown54]

Things are heating up:  
- Vaughn has put 40 points on his average since Sunday, is all the way up to .138, but just two points ahead of Robert's .136;
- Vargas got a base hit, he is hovering around the .150 mark, a 30-40 point improvement over last season.  Plus he won the 2025 Came-To-Training-Camp-In-The-Best-Shape-Of-His-Life award;

And, let's try and focus on Getz's vision, his proclamation when he took over the franchise that was one of the worst hitting teams the previous decade:  Rebuilding the pitching must be the top priority.
 

[southsider2k5]

32 minutes ago, TBrown54 said:

Things are heating up:  
- Vaughn has put 40 points on his average since Sunday, is all the way up to .138, but just two points ahead of Robert's .136;
- Vargas got a base hit, he is hovering around the .150 mark, a 30-40 point improvement over last season.  Plus he won the 2025 Came-To-Training-Camp-In-The-Best-Shape-Of-His-Life award;

And, let's try and focus on Getz's vision, his proclamation when he took over the franchise that was one of the worst hitting teams the previous decade:  Rebuilding the pitching must be the top priority.
 

Nope, still smells like a pile of s%*#, even with a little grass smell wafting over it.

[PaleAleSox]

On 4/17/2025 at 8:04 AM, Kyyle23 said:

I genuinely think TA was a guy whose entire built-up persona was damaged heavily by the baby mama stuff and then getting stuck by Ramirez just devastated his confidence and he has never recovered.  Remember he was doing all the image building with the photography and I think he even had (or was rumored to have) a sponsorship with a car brand at one quick point 

Dude was in Subway commercials with Bryce Harper.