It's 4/18/25 and the White Sox are out of the race.  What a disgraceful display of major league baseball  Our team would not be competitive at the AA level.  GM should have been fired last year.   

6 minutes ago, Tomas said:

It's 4/18/25 and the White Sox are out of the race.  What a disgraceful display of major league baseball  Our team would not be competitive at the AA level.  GM should have been fired last year.   

Yes the team is disgraceful but even worse is that ownership is content with this situation. As  long as the payroll is low and their making nothing but money, that's all that seems to matter to them.

It is 4/19/25 and I am shocked that anyone could be surprised by the start of this season.

8 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Yes the team is disgraceful but even worse is that ownership is content with this situation. As  long as the payroll is low and their making nothing but money, that's all that seems to matter to them.

I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. 

8 minutes ago, Highland said:

I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. 

He is just a mean, spiteful, old man.

Last summer I said on here that it would be worse in 2025. Now I'm saying it will be worse again in 2026.

13 minutes ago, Highland said:

I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. 

Obviously JR doesn't care how bad the team is.

13 minutes ago, oldsox said:

He is just a mean, spiteful, old man.

Last summer I said on here that it would be worse in 2025. Now I'm saying it will be worse again in 2026.

Hyping a #1-10/11 draft pick is much more challenging than 1-1 or 1-2.

In fact, the Rockies and Sox both might end up with 120+ losses, which would bring even more MLB attention to this disgraceful situation.

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Here's $50 mil to spend on free agents. Who is going to play here, for how much more than the next highest bidder, and would that really make a difference? Even 20 more wins over the season will still suck. 

 

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

It is 4/19/25 and I am shocked that anyone could be surprised by the start of this season.

Yeah, not exactly new news. The 2025 start is just another in a long series of disgraces. All part of the all encompassing and neverending disgrace that is Jerry Reinsdorf. Nothing new under the sun here.

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1 hour ago, Highland said:

I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. 

I don't understand that either

17 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Yeah, not exactly new news. The 2025 start is just another in a long series of disgraces. All part of the all encompassing and neverending disgrace that is Jerry Reinsdorf. Nothing new under the sun here.

It's so bad, wins and losses are secondary.  While important,  I would even settle for seeing some basic progress for improvement.  I want to see a smarter team, a healthier team, better line ups, best roster management,  etc.  19 games into 25, I am not seeing any reasons for optimism.

2 hours ago, Tomas said:

It's 4/18/25 and the White Sox are out of the race.  What a disgraceful display of major league baseball  Our team would not be competitive at the AA level.  GM should have been fired last year.   

I too am sick and tired of being the doormat for the other teams

But until we see JR'S name in the obituaries , we are screwed 

2 hours ago, oldsox said:

He is just a mean, spiteful, old man.

 

He’s a pimp.

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There are plenty of teams that look bad but not White Sox bad.

3 hours ago, Highland said:

I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. 

We've all wondered this.  Here's my take:  The main problems with JR is that he's insular, stubborn, loyal to yes-men, out of touch with how to succeed in MLB today, and penny wise-dollar foolish.

For a long time, he's had a standoffish relationship with both the media and the fans.  He bristles at criticism and IMO has just shut them out at this point.  So, local media and fans raking over the coals over the state of the team doesn't mean much to him.  Loyalty over demanding result has long been a criticism of him.  That doesn't make him a bad person, but it's no way to run a MLB franchise.  This is how people like TLR, Kenny Williams, Rick Hahn, Cooper had jobs way past their expiration dates.  Approaches that led to success in 1983, 1990-93, and 2005 are outdated in the 2020s. 

It's not like he's never spent any money on the team.  He did allow the payroll to balloon up to the top 5(?) or 10(?) during this recent failed rebuild.  But he doesn't want to invest in things like player development, scouting, or difference-maker elite free agents.  Locking up young talent to big extensions before they've proven anything in attempt to avoid handing out huge contracts has blown up in their faces over the last 5 years.

He doesn't want to see the value of the franchise sink, but he thinks getting public funding for a new stadium will reverse that.  Losing 121 games is embarrassing to him, but only further justifies (in his mind) his argument to the public that the White Sox cannot compete at their current stadium.

And finally, owning the Sox is his life.  He has clearly said so.  For that reason, and for tax purposes, he's not selling while he's still in good health.

So, we're stuck in baseball hell until Jerry's time is up.   We can only hope that he is indeed lining up a transition plan to have the Ishbia brothers become the next controlling owners of the White Sox after he's gone.  

22 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

We've all wondered this.  Here's my take:  The main problems with JR is that he's insular, stubborn, loyal to yes-men, out of touch with how to succeed in MLB today, and penny wise-dollar foolish.

For a long time, he's had a standoffish relationship with both the media and the fans.  He bristles at criticism and IMO has just shut them out at this point.  So, local media and fans raking over the coals over the state of the team doesn't mean much to him.  Loyalty over demanding result has long been a criticism of him.  That doesn't make him a bad person, but it's no way to run a MLB franchise.  This is how people like TLR, Kenny Williams, Rick Hahn, Cooper had jobs way past their expiration dates.  Approaches that led to success in 1983, 1990-93, and 2005 are outdated in the 2020s. 

It's not like he's never spent any money on the team.  He did allow the payroll to balloon up to the top 5(?) or 10(?) during this recent failed rebuild.  But he doesn't want to invest in things like player development, scouting, or difference-maker elite free agents.  Locking up young talent to big extensions before they've proven anything in attempt to avoid handing out huge contracts has blown up in their faces over the last 5 years.

He doesn't want to see the value of the franchise sink, but he thinks getting public funding for a new stadium will reverse that.  Losing 121 games is embarrassing to him, but only further justifies (in his mind) his argument to the public that the White Sox cannot compete at their current stadium.

And finally, owning the Sox is his life.  He has clearly said so.  For that reason, and for tax purposes, he's not selling while he's still in good health.

So, we're stuck in baseball hell until Jerry's time is up.   We can only hope that he is indeed lining up a transition plan to have the Ishbia brothers become the next controlling owners of the White Sox after he's gone.  

That's a pretty solid and probably accurate take

3 hours ago, Texsox said:

Here's $50 mil to spend on free agents. Who is going to play here, for how much more than the next highest bidder, and would that really make a difference? Even 20 more wins over the season will still suck. 

 

And who built and contributed to this situation in which what you say is likely true?

Jerry and Getz.

30 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

 

 He bristles at criticism and IMO has just shut them out at this point.  So, local media and fans raking over the coals over the state of the team doesn't mean much to him.  

Try bringing a critical sign to the ballpark. You'll have it confiscated faster than if you brought in a weapon. I think it does mean something to him so he shuts it down so he doesn't have to see it. Insular is certainly the right word.

35 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

And finally, owning the Sox is his life.  He has clearly said so. 

I will never understand making something your life but doing as little as possible with it.

7 minutes ago, Snopek said:

I will never understand making something your life but doing as little as possible with it.

Very simple, he's making nothing but money with this bad team. Low payroll=more moola for the owner.

7 minutes ago, Snopek said:

I will never understand making something your life but doing as little as possible with it.

 

12 minutes ago, Snopek said:

I will never understand making something your life but doing as little as possible with it.

Ego, narcissism are the worst traits someone in his position can have. He simply blames everything but himself when something goes wrong.

The 78 site seems like a pipe dream that bears no connection with reality. It could take years before this org is truly ready to move forward in all phases. 

17 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Very simple, he's making nothing but money with this bad team. Low payroll=more moola for the owner.

 

When something is your life, that typically means you have a passion for it. And when you have a passion for something, that typically means you actively engage in it.
 

Also, he can be making so much more money with an even slightly more proactive approach.

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

It's so bad, wins and losses are secondary.  While important,  I would even settle for seeing some basic progress for improvement.  I want to see a smarter team, a healthier team, better line ups, best roster management,  etc.  19 games into 25, I am not seeing any reasons for optimism.

Completely agree. Piling up loses is expected during a rebuild, but we aren't exactly seeing growth or progress or an improved process overall. Getz can't even assemble a regular bad MLB roster during the early phase of a rebuild, so why should we hope that he can fix the minor league system, or overhaul scouting, talent evaluation, and developement? 

33 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Very simple, he's making nothing but money with this bad team. Low payroll=more moola for the owner.

 

With the lack of a TV contract, I bet you would be surprised