Tomas Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 It's 4/18/25 and the White Sox are out of the race. What a disgraceful display of major league baseball Our team would not be competitive at the AA level. GM should have been fired last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 6 minutes ago, Tomas said: It's 4/18/25 and the White Sox are out of the race. What a disgraceful display of major league baseball Our team would not be competitive at the AA level. GM should have been fired last year. Yes the team is disgraceful but even worse is that ownership is content with this situation. As long as the payroll is low and their making nothing but money, that's all that seems to matter to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 It is 4/19/25 and I am shocked that anyone could be surprised by the start of this season. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 8 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Yes the team is disgraceful but even worse is that ownership is content with this situation. As long as the payroll is low and their making nothing but money, that's all that seems to matter to them. I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 8 minutes ago, Highland said: I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. He is just a mean, spiteful, old man. Last summer I said on here that it would be worse in 2025. Now I'm saying it will be worse again in 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 13 minutes ago, Highland said: I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. Obviously JR doesn't care how bad the team is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 13 minutes ago, oldsox said: He is just a mean, spiteful, old man. Last summer I said on here that it would be worse in 2025. Now I'm saying it will be worse again in 2026. Hyping a #1-10/11 draft pick is much more challenging than 1-1 or 1-2. In fact, the Rockies and Sox both might end up with 120+ losses, which would bring even more MLB attention to this disgraceful situation. Edited April 19 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Here's $50 mil to spend on free agents. Who is going to play here, for how much more than the next highest bidder, and would that really make a difference? Even 20 more wins over the season will still suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: It is 4/19/25 and I am shocked that anyone could be surprised by the start of this season. Yeah, not exactly new news. The 2025 start is just another in a long series of disgraces. All part of the all encompassing and neverending disgrace that is Jerry Reinsdorf. Nothing new under the sun here. Edited April 19 by Tnetennba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, Highland said: I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. I don't understand that either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 17 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Yeah, not exactly new news. The 2025 start is just another in a long series of disgraces. All part of the all encompassing and neverending disgrace that is Jerry Reinsdorf. Nothing new under the sun here. It's so bad, wins and losses are secondary. While important, I would even settle for seeing some basic progress for improvement. I want to see a smarter team, a healthier team, better line ups, best roster management, etc. 19 games into 25, I am not seeing any reasons for optimism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, Tomas said: It's 4/18/25 and the White Sox are out of the race. What a disgraceful display of major league baseball Our team would not be competitive at the AA level. GM should have been fired last year. I too am sick and tired of being the doormat for the other teams But until we see JR'S name in the obituaries , we are screwed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, oldsox said: He is just a mean, spiteful, old man. He’s a pimp. Edited April 19 by The Mighty Mite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 There are plenty of teams that look bad but not White Sox bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 3 hours ago, Highland said: I fully understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time understanding why JR would let things get this bad, money or no money. He has to know the team is regarded as a laughingstock, and that his name is connected to that. The White Sox have had their low times, but this is the worst. We've all wondered this. Here's my take: The main problems with JR is that he's insular, stubborn, loyal to yes-men, out of touch with how to succeed in MLB today, and penny wise-dollar foolish. For a long time, he's had a standoffish relationship with both the media and the fans. He bristles at criticism and IMO has just shut them out at this point. So, local media and fans raking over the coals over the state of the team doesn't mean much to him. Loyalty over demanding result has long been a criticism of him. That doesn't make him a bad person, but it's no way to run a MLB franchise. This is how people like TLR, Kenny Williams, Rick Hahn, Cooper had jobs way past their expiration dates. Approaches that led to success in 1983, 1990-93, and 2005 are outdated in the 2020s. It's not like he's never spent any money on the team. He did allow the payroll to balloon up to the top 5(?) or 10(?) during this recent failed rebuild. But he doesn't want to invest in things like player development, scouting, or difference-maker elite free agents. Locking up young talent to big extensions before they've proven anything in attempt to avoid handing out huge contracts has blown up in their faces over the last 5 years. He doesn't want to see the value of the franchise sink, but he thinks getting public funding for a new stadium will reverse that. Losing 121 games is embarrassing to him, but only further justifies (in his mind) his argument to the public that the White Sox cannot compete at their current stadium. And finally, owning the Sox is his life. He has clearly said so. For that reason, and for tax purposes, he's not selling while he's still in good health. So, we're stuck in baseball hell until Jerry's time is up. We can only hope that he is indeed lining up a transition plan to have the Ishbia brothers become the next controlling owners of the White Sox after he's gone. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 22 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: We've all wondered this. Here's my take: The main problems with JR is that he's insular, stubborn, loyal to yes-men, out of touch with how to succeed in MLB today, and penny wise-dollar foolish. For a long time, he's had a standoffish relationship with both the media and the fans. He bristles at criticism and IMO has just shut them out at this point. So, local media and fans raking over the coals over the state of the team doesn't mean much to him. Loyalty over demanding result has long been a criticism of him. That doesn't make him a bad person, but it's no way to run a MLB franchise. This is how people like TLR, Kenny Williams, Rick Hahn, Cooper had jobs way past their expiration dates. Approaches that led to success in 1983, 1990-93, and 2005 are outdated in the 2020s. It's not like he's never spent any money on the team. He did allow the payroll to balloon up to the top 5(?) or 10(?) during this recent failed rebuild. But he doesn't want to invest in things like player development, scouting, or difference-maker elite free agents. Locking up young talent to big extensions before they've proven anything in attempt to avoid handing out huge contracts has blown up in their faces over the last 5 years. He doesn't want to see the value of the franchise sink, but he thinks getting public funding for a new stadium will reverse that. Losing 121 games is embarrassing to him, but only further justifies (in his mind) his argument to the public that the White Sox cannot compete at their current stadium. And finally, owning the Sox is his life. He has clearly said so. For that reason, and for tax purposes, he's not selling while he's still in good health. So, we're stuck in baseball hell until Jerry's time is up. We can only hope that he is indeed lining up a transition plan to have the Ishbia brothers become the next controlling owners of the White Sox after he's gone. That's a pretty solid and probably accurate take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 3 hours ago, Texsox said: Here's $50 mil to spend on free agents. Who is going to play here, for how much more than the next highest bidder, and would that really make a difference? Even 20 more wins over the season will still suck. And who built and contributed to this situation in which what you say is likely true? Jerry and Getz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBooneLoganEra Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 30 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: He bristles at criticism and IMO has just shut them out at this point. So, local media and fans raking over the coals over the state of the team doesn't mean much to him. Try bringing a critical sign to the ballpark. You'll have it confiscated faster than if you brought in a weapon. I think it does mean something to him so he shuts it down so he doesn't have to see it. Insular is certainly the right word. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 35 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: And finally, owning the Sox is his life. He has clearly said so. I will never understand making something your life but doing as little as possible with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 7 minutes ago, Snopek said: I will never understand making something your life but doing as little as possible with it. Very simple, he's making nothing but money with this bad team. Low payroll=more moola for the owner. 7 minutes ago, Snopek said: I will never understand making something your life but doing as little as possible with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 12 minutes ago, Snopek said: I will never understand making something your life but doing as little as possible with it. Ego, narcissism are the worst traits someone in his position can have. He simply blames everything but himself when something goes wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 The 78 site seems like a pipe dream that bears no connection with reality. It could take years before this org is truly ready to move forward in all phases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 17 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Very simple, he's making nothing but money with this bad team. Low payroll=more moola for the owner. When something is your life, that typically means you have a passion for it. And when you have a passion for something, that typically means you actively engage in it. Also, he can be making so much more money with an even slightly more proactive approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: It's so bad, wins and losses are secondary. While important, I would even settle for seeing some basic progress for improvement. I want to see a smarter team, a healthier team, better line ups, best roster management, etc. 19 games into 25, I am not seeing any reasons for optimism. Completely agree. Piling up loses is expected during a rebuild, but we aren't exactly seeing growth or progress or an improved process overall. Getz can't even assemble a regular bad MLB roster during the early phase of a rebuild, so why should we hope that he can fix the minor league system, or overhaul scouting, talent evaluation, and developement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 33 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Very simple, he's making nothing but money with this bad team. Low payroll=more moola for the owner. With the lack of a TV contract, I bet you would be surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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