WhiteSox2023 Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 (edited) 3 hours ago, 46DidIt said: He was drafted in '22, began '23 at low A, advanced to WS after 66 games and then Birmingham after 31 games where he played 30 games. Restarted AA in '24 and advanced to AAA where he played 48 games, and has now been the best hitter in the minors less than 24 months after he was playing in Kannapolis. What else could he do? Either he can hit or he can't. Wasn’t he drafted at age 23? Edited April 30 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 20 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Wasn’t he drafted at age 23? Age 23, year '22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 never promote a player hitting around .350 in AAA Only the White Sox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Let him enjoy the moment a bit longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 18 minutes ago, Texsox said: Let him enjoy the moment a bit longer. only applies to Vaughn pre DFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Pretty sure we'll wake up to Vaughn as the newly crowed negative fWAR leader. 1/5 tonight with 3Ks that brings his wRC+ up to a rousing 30. At least he hit that little flair for an RBI I guess... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 I put this in a minor league thread, but the only reason I can see them keeping him down right now is if they want to see if he keeps his BABIP up for a little longer. He's always had a high one since joining the Sox (hovering around .380-395) but he's rocking .453 this year. He's also bumped his walk rate a pretty sizable amount. His only blemish is his strikeout rate is still high, but whatever we're used to that. I can't think of any other on-field reason. Off-field is obviously Vaughn's (relatively cheap) contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 With Meidroth and Quero in the lineup and Vargas and Robert Jr starting to hit, things should start getting better. But still, I can't help but wonder how long this is going to go on with Vaughn, I can't see him being put down to the minors.They're not going to pay him his $5 million dollars to hit in the minors. If he continues to tank I would like to think he would be traded to some other team for not much of anything. The White Sox would probably have to pay most of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: With Meidroth and Quero in the lineup and Vargas and Robert Jr starting to hit, things should start getting better. But still, I can't help but wonder how long this is going to go on with Vaughn, I can't see him being put down to the minors.They're not going to pay him his $5 million dollars to hit in the minors. If he continues to tank I would like to think he would be traded to some other team for not much of anything. The White Sox would probably have to pay most of his contract. The Sox could always use more of than. It will be a rinse and repeat come the trade deadline. They'll just be kicking that competitive window down the road and Getz will ask fans to be patient. I guess a decade is too much to ask. We are not exactly dealing with a competent owner or GM here. Fans of small market habitual losing organizations always talk trades but never signings. Competitive is such a vague and high bar for fans. It's often being in 2nd place in July and moving down to 4th late August. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, kitekrazy said: The Sox could always use more of than. It will be a rinse and repeat come the trade deadline. They'll just be kicking that competitive window down the road and Getz will ask fans to be patient. I guess a decade is too much to ask. We are not exactly dealing with a competent owner or GM here. Fans of small market habitual losing organizations always talk trades but never signings. Competitive is such a vague and high bar for fans. It's often being in 2nd place in July and moving down to 4th late August. Or the old bromide, adding by subtraction and bringing up Elko is just as good or better than expending trade capital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Or the old bromide, adding by subtraction and bringing up Elko is just as good or better than expending trade capital. Elko will probably settle in and produce about the same as Vaughn. Sosa would probably be the most productive 1B until a true bat comes through the system without a position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 It looks like Vaughn is going to stay here and Elko will not be called up. If I was Elko I would ask to be released or traded. What else does Elko have to do in the minors to deserve a shot in the big leagues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 12 minutes ago, WBWSF said: It looks like Vaughn is going to stay here and Elko will not be called up. If I was Elko I would ask to be released or traded. What else does Elko have to do in the minors to deserve a shot in the big leagues? A minor leaguer trying to pull that would be wild. Teams would absolutely start looking at him like a diva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 56 minutes ago, Quin said: A minor leaguer trying to pull that would be wild. Teams would absolutely start looking at him like a diva. Didn't Oscar Colas try some version of that? That doesn't seem to have worked out as planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: It looks like Vaughn is going to stay here and Elko will not be called up. If I was Elko I would ask to be released or traded. What else does Elko have to do in the minors to deserve a shot in the big leagues? Hopefully Tim Elko is not that dumb. That s%*# follows you around forever, and teams will downgrade your value because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Didn't Oscar Colas try some version of that? That doesn't seem to have worked out as planned. His version was making a play to get called up, which still isn't good. A minor leaguer asking to get out of the org is a whole other level. It'd genuinely be hysterical and pretty much destroy the "Tim Elko is a leader" talking point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 19 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Didn't Oscar Colas try some version of that? That doesn't seem to have worked out as planned. Oscar Colas did bail on his team while playing in Japan I'm pretty sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, Quin said: His version was making a play to get called up, which still isn't good. A minor leaguer asking to get out of the org is a whole other level. It'd genuinely be hysterical and pretty much destroy the "Tim Elko is a leader" talking point. I would also imagine they've sat him down, mapped out what they want to see from him, and have given him a rough timeline of what could possibly happen if he met his marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 11 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I would also imagine they've sat him down, mapped out what they want to see from him, and have given him a rough timeline of what could possibly happen if he met his marks. "Come up with $6 million." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, Quin said: "Come up with $6 million." Should be close to $4.75 million at this point, 30+ games into the season. Guess Getz will run it down closer to $2.5 to $3.0 million. Although fan patience is already running quite thin. You run the risk of aliennating some of your minor leaguers when merit-based promotions are blocked when the player ahead of them is objectively now one of the worst performers on one of the worst teams in baseball for the second or third consecutive year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Vaughn's on the clock I don't doubt that now. Forum hero Jake Burger got sent down yesterday and the Rangers need bodies in their lineup. The same thing is going to happen to Andrew soon if he doesn't turn it around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 40 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Should be close to $4.75 million at this point, 30+ games into the season. Guess Getz will run it down closer to $2.5 to $3.0 million. Although fan patience is already running quite thin. You run the risk of aliennating some of your minor leaguers when merit-based promotions are blocked when the player ahead of them is objectively now one of the worst performers on one of the worst teams in baseball for the second or third consecutive year. Tim Elko was picked in the 10th round of the 2022 draft. His bonus was $35k. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Tim Elko knows what he is and isn't becoming "alienated" by waiting for Vaughn to fail out, get injured or be traded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Baron said: Vaughn's on the clock I don't doubt that now. Forum hero Jake Burger got sent down yesterday and the Rangers need bodies in their lineup. The same thing is going to happen to Andrew soon if he doesn't turn it around. I'd say that's a pipe dream based on current evidence. The only way to find out if Elko can do the job is bring him up and given him plenty of at bats. The attitude of some here and Getz is they want him to fail, You still can't divorce stupid from this organization. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Maybe Vaughn needs a phantom IL stint, like with Workman, to get Elko up for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, Baron said: Vaughn's on the clock I don't doubt that now. Forum hero Jake Burger got sent down yesterday and the Rangers need bodies in their lineup. The same thing is going to happen to Andrew soon if he doesn't turn it around. They should trade Burger for Vaughn. Both drafted with similar expectations and baseball skillset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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