Falstaff Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 15 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: LIterally the people in the know who already talking about Luis Robert's work ethic. That is fair, it has been questioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 I dont remember anyone questioning Robert's work ethic. Just the opposite. Everyone has said he has a great work ethic. He's just extremely quiet and there's the injuries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 11 minutes ago, Falstaff said: That is fair, it has been questioned. It's also fair to say a lot gets lost in translation when you're talking about prejudices that come with translating body language and Spanish speaking players. There's no question in my mind that Robert has been trying very hard to take more walks and not strike out so much but that's a huge ask for a guy who is like the living embodiment of "hitting his way off the island." His fielding and basstealing alone should tell you he's tried very hard to play up to his capabilities despite the hip injuries that could've gave him pause to push himself to max effort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 11 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: It's also fair to say a lot gets lost in translation when you're talking about prejudices that come with translating body language and Spanish speaking players. There's no question in my mind that Robert has been trying very hard to take more walks and not strike out so much but that's a huge ask for a guy who is like the living embodiment of "hitting his way off the island." His fielding and basstealing alone should tell you he's tried very hard to play up to his capabilities despite the hip injuries that could've gave him pause to push himself to max effort. When Robert had some tightness and TL told him not to bust it running out a typical infield ground out the national media ran with it. The optics were not good to the fan that didn't know the reason behind it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 10 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: I dont remember anyone questioning Robert's work ethic. Just the opposite. Everyone has said he has a great work ethic. He's just extremely quiet and there's the injuries. I had read that when he signed with Boras that he was urged to incorporate more stretches into his workout routine which MAY have been centered more on strength training. He has been relatively injury free this year so whether or not that advice paid off or if it didn't mean anything is just what happens when you never find out if his workouts were a little too focused on strength training or if he took the stretching advice to heart or if he just was following a trainer's and not medical rehab procedures. It's very difficult to know what goes on in his inner circle when there's a language barrier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Falstaff said: When Robert had some tightness and TL told him not to bust it running out a typical infield ground out the national media ran with it. The optics were not good to the fan that didn't know the reason behind it. Exactly . Fans and media can interpret what appears on the surface to be lack of hustle because they just watch and react and don't necessarily read a great deal about it nor do the reporters delve deeper. We also know he's played through injuries on a few occasions. He could barely swing the bat once through a good stretch of ABs and then there was his dizzy spells. I'm not sure we ever found out the full story on that. As fans we forget a lot of these stories because we're talking about years of playing and multiple injuries . Also the media might be guilty of the same thing reacting to only recent things and forgetting to relate the past to the present. Edited July 22 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 0-4 for Vaughn last night. Down to a 1071 OPS with the Brew Crew. I give him another few weeks before he's back under 800. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 55 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: 0-4 for Vaughn last night. Down to a 1071 OPS with the Brew Crew. I give him another few weeks before he's back under 800. Anyone can have a bad night Anyone can also have a bad 4 years, like he did on the South Side 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 21 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: LIterally the people in the know who already talking about Luis Robert's work ethic. The guy who played through multiple injuries, beat recovery times for all IL stints, and is in incredible shape doesnt work hard? I certainly haven't heard that. If anything, Robert over tinkers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The guy who played through multiple injuries, beat recovery times for all IL stints, and is in incredible shape doesnt work hard? I certainly haven't heard that. If anything, Robert over tinkers. You will have to ask the whisperers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 6 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Exactly . Fans and media can interpret what appears on the surface to be lack of hustle because they just watch and react and don't necessarily read a great deal about it nor do the reporters delve deeper. We also know he's played through injuries on a few occasions. He could barely swing the bat once through a good stretch of ABs and then there was his dizzy spells. I'm not sure we ever found out the full story on that. As fans we forget a lot of these stories because we're talking about years of playing and multiple injuries . Also the media might be guilty of the same thing reacting to only recent things and forgetting to relate the past to the present. Luis plays to win but does not have much of a personality. Pete Rose he is not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 7 hours ago, Falstaff said: When Robert had some tightness and TL told him not to bust it running out a typical infield ground out the national media ran with it. The optics were not good to the fan that didn't know the reason behind it. And a do think a lot of people mistake the Latin personality of not showing a ton of emotion, with not caring. You don't have to put on a show for the cameras to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Only issues I ever heard in the press about Robert were that he didn’t know assistant coaches name and that he didn’t want to know a lot about the pitcher he was going to face. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 31 minutes ago, fathom said: Only issues I ever heard in the press about Robert were that he didn’t know assistant coaches name and that he didn’t want to know a lot about the pitcher he was going to face. His worth ethic isn't an issue. The rest of the stuff seems like small potatoes. His swing was the major problem the last two years but he never took that out to the OF to his credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 31 minutes ago, fathom said: Only issues I ever heard in the press about Robert were that he didn’t know assistant coaches name and that he didn’t want to know a lot about the pitcher he was going to face. I do remember reading a story in the mainstream media which said the Sox asked him to change his off season program and I remember seeing posts from fans (for what that may be worth) that they were surprised he wasn't stretching before games like some other guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, fathom said: Only issues I ever heard in the press about Robert were that he didn’t know assistant coaches name and that he didn’t want to know a lot about the pitcher he was going to face. Hilarious. Montoyo. It was great when Garfien blew up about it. Edited July 22 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 5 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: And a do think a lot of people mistake the Latin personality of not showing a ton of emotion, with not caring. You don't have to put on a show for the cameras to care. Unfortunately Americans demand that in modern day sports. If a player doesn't smash a cooler or throw a big fit it must mean they don't care. If look at the legends of sports they didn't wear their emotions on their sleeves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, kitekrazy said: Unfortunately Americans demand that in modern day sports. If a player doesn't smash a cooler or throw a big fit it must mean they don't care. If look at the legends of sports they didn't wear their emotions on their sleeves. John McEnroe? Tiger Woods suppressing his entire life until it all blew up on him? Football definitely relies a lot more on emotions than the other Big 3, but baseball in particular. Paul O'Neill was the one guy who always annoyed me the most, but most Yankees' fans loved him. Many Latin American players in the 50s and 60s like Clemente and Marichal were famous for being "too hot blooded." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 15 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Hilarious. Montoyo. It was great when Garfien blew up about it. Chuck Garfein is the ultimate water carrier. I know he works for the org, but dude is such a snake with how he hypes up every player, then if they can absorb any blame that should be assigned to the organization, he piles it on. Once Robert is gone, I anticipate Lenyn Sosa to be Garfein enemy #1 when the team doesn't make the playoffs next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 26 minutes ago, Quin said: Chuck Garfein is the ultimate water carrier. I know he works for the org, but dude is such a snake with how he hypes up every player, then if they can absorb any blame that should be assigned to the organization, he piles it on. Once Robert is gone, I anticipate Lenyn Sosa to be Garfein enemy #1 when the team doesn't make the playoffs next year. The funny thing is I had the opposite reaction. What is the coaching staff doing that a bench coach exists without your franchise player having any idea having any idea who he is. WTF did Charlie Montoyo spend his time doing if he wasn't trying to do everything he could to make Luis Robert a Hall of Famer? Even if Luis Robert didn't want his help, for some weird reason, dude still should have been present enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The funny thing is I had the opposite reaction. What is the coaching staff doing that a bench coach exists without your franchise player having any idea having any idea who he is. WTF did Charlie Montoyo spend his time doing if he wasn't trying to do everything he could to make Luis Robert a Hall of Famer? Even if Luis Robert didn't want his help, for some weird reason, dude still should have been present enough. We're agreeing in this regard. Chuck Garfein was lambasting Robert for organizational (Montoyo, La Russa) failures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, Quin said: We're agreeing in this regard. Chuck Garfein was lambasting Robert for organizational (Montoyo, La Russa) failures. Chuck knows not to bite the hand that feeds him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 15 hours ago, kitekrazy said: Unfortunately Americans demand that in modern day sports. If a player doesn't smash a cooler or throw a big fit it must mean they don't care. If look at the legends of sports they didn't wear their emotions on their sleeves. Some do but when Kelenic smashed his hand on the table or whatever and hurt himself the condemnation here was almost universal. He even felt obligated to do a tearful (literally) interview on their carrier station apologizing for it. Again I've never seen much of a problem with Robert's on field effort and he's come into spring every year in excellent shape. It's just his swing abandoned him for almost two calendar years. Hopefully he's found it this month and stays hot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: Chuck knows not to bite the hand that feeds him. Most def. It's just disingenuous for people to talk about Our Chuck while he hypes up Hanser Alberto and then rag on Merkin. They both serve the same purpose, Merkin just doesn't come across holier than thou while somehow being beloved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 I think that... 1. Fans often attribute injuries to poor offseason/off-field effort by the player 2. Fans often perceive players/teams who don't hit as not caring 3. Fans often assume that mental mistakes are due to the player not caring (not a big leap, to be fair) 4. Fans look for obvious displays of effort/emotion as a clue to whether player is trying hard and cares about the results LouBob has been injured, has had some nasty slumps, has made mental mistakes on the field, and is certainly not someone who makes a big show of hustling or talking a big game about his desire to win. So it doesn't surprise me that some fans see him as a guy who has problems with his effort. And maybe he does or used to, I don't know. My hunch has been that he's a player that tends to play worse when he tries to increase his mental effort, but it's just speculation on my part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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