kitekrazy Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, JoeC said: *if that's a reality for any sports franchise baseball is the least predictable sport and we treat it like it is we fall for the same patterns of mythical success like the other habitual losing organizations, these are often the same ones/teams the past 3 decades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: And if not, Ishbia will fire Getz, promote Paul Janish, and everybody will flop over and start defending Getz. Why would anyone defend Getz? Ishbia will not be promoting from within a failing organization. That I am certain. I'm also certain no one will ever be clamoring for Getz to run their baseball team in my life. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 28 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: that's a reality for any sports franchise baseball is the least predictable sport and we treat it like it is we fall for the same patterns of mythical success like the other habitual losing organizations, these are often the same ones/teams the past 3 decades I'd argue it's the most predictable if we're talking regular season, just for the simple fact that it has the most games so the most outcomes and opportunities for skill to rise. None of them are predictable in the sense that these guys, for the most part, are so close in talent. Edited August 22 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 hours ago, T R U said: I think the main thing is, Andrew Vaughn was pretty bad for 4+ seasons here. In 150 plate appearances with Milwaukee, he has produced 1.2 bWAR when he produced a total of -0.5 bWAR in his Sox career. Something got changed with him from some form of instruction from the Brewers. The K rate is drastically cut, the walk rate has drastically risen, these are all clear signs of a change in approach at the plate. Vaughn could bottom out, but that will never undo what's going on with him right now. The Sox have a terrible reputation with player development and this is an example of someone else being able to get SOMETHING out of Vaughn the Sox never could even if its only for 200 or so PA's if that's even how it ends up shaking out. At one point his fWAR was +1.7 with MIL in just about a month when he's way under 0.0 career-wise with the Sox... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Why would anyone defend Getz? Ishbia will not be promoting from within a failing organization. That I am certain. I'm also certain no one will ever be clamoring for Getz to run their baseball team in my life. Exactly. I have no clue why WE assumes Ishbia would promote any loser from this current org. He is a baseball fan and has watched this team. He sees what we see. He knows he’s buying the team from an awful owner who has lost more games than he has won, while barely trying. I sincerely doubt Ishbia thinks that 2nd place (stated by Jerry himself) or a continuous rebuild is just as good as winning divisions and Wild Cards. Getz won’t have another job in baseball once Jerry is six feet under, just like Kenny and Hahn. Edited August 23 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Exactly. I have no clue why WE assumes Ishbia would promote any loser from this current org. He is a baseball fan and has watched this team. He sees what we see. He knows he’s buying the team from an awful owner who has lost more games than he has won, while barely trying. I sincerely doubt Ishbia thinks that 2nd place (stated by Jerry himself) or a continuous rebuild is just as good as winning divisions and Wild Cards. Getz won’t have another job in baseball once Jerry is six feet under, just like Kenny and Hahn. And Renteria and Grifol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 5 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Big assumption. I don’t see them winning until Ishbia takes over. Jerry isn’t spending any money on a team he is planning to sell. He's also not, at age 89, going to suddenly start hiring competent people over loyalists to run this organization after decades of not doing so. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Exactly. I have no clue why WE assumes Ishbia would promote any loser from this current org. He is a baseball fan and has watched this team. He sees what we see. He knows he’s buying the team from an awful owner who has lost more games than he has won, while barely trying. I sincerely doubt Ishbia thinks that 2nd place (stated by Jerry himself) or a continuous rebuild is just as good as winning divisions and Wild Cards. Getz won’t have another job in baseball once Jerry is six feet under, just like Kenny and Hahn. I'd be shocked if Ishbia is spending around $2B to buy a franchise only to keep a bunch of incompetent clowns in charge of operating the team. He's not an idiot - he knows the Sox are losing market share and have struggled with anemic attendance and waning interest for years. He's also not going to starting throwing money at high priced free agents when the team's management is incapable of evaluating and developing talent. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Ishiba is not going to fire Getz in nine years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, ewokpelts said: Ishiba is not going to fire Getz in nine years. True, he'll take over long before that and then fire him in my opinion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Welp, Vaughn is in a horrible slump now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 55 minutes ago, fathom said: Welp, Vaughn is in a horrible slump now Or Vaughn just reverted back to we thought he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Sounds like Hoskins is expected back soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 5 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said: Sounds like Hoskins is expected back soon. Hard to imagine him taking Durbin's job away...maybe some type of platoon, but Vaughn's inept defense/range over there will get exposed first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 13 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said: Sounds like Hoskins is expected back soon. This is as bad of an idea as playing him in the outfield. 🤣 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 42 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: This is as bad of an idea as playing him in the outfield. 🤣 Or 2B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 On 8/23/2025 at 10:36 PM, ewokpelts said: Ishiba is not going to fire Getz in nine years. Ishbia might...on the other hand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 28 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Or 2B Wait a minute… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 36 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Or 2B Or drafting him 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 If Vaughn goes through arbitration with Brewers, he will be fairly expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 He's basically right at his career median, just (kinda predictably) got a new team bump and is now reverting to the mean. Vaughn has been the same player his entire career, a mid hitter 15-20 HR OPS somewhere around 700 who offers nothing past his bat. Will be the same this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 5 hours ago, oldsox said: If Vaughn goes through arbitration with Brewers, he will be fairly expensive. I don’t think so. Over $6 million for sure, but he was so damn awful with the Sox that his insane hot streak with the Brewers hasn’t even brought his overall numbers back up to his career norms yet. And now his bat is cold. Edited August 29 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I don’t think so. Over $6 million for sure, but he was so damn awful with the Sox that his insane hot streak with the Brewers hasn’t even brought his overall numbers back up to his career norms yet. And now his bat is cold. Yeah if this continues, I bet the Brewers let him go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 17 minutes ago, fathom said: Yeah if this continues, I bet the Brewers let him go This. I think his price probably pushes into the $8 to $10 million range in his next arb year, which means unless he goes back to hot, he will go back to unemployed. Getting offered arb at about a $6 mil price tag was dumb enough, but I don't think the Brewers will keep digging that hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Yikes, I haven't been paying much attention to how he's hitting, but .200 since August 8 and .170 since August 16. We've seen this show before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.thumb.jpg.acbdc1097283affff104fdb503e5766f.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.