Trading Deadline

[WestEddy]

22 minutes ago, peanut33tillman said:

Houser is really on a heater since joining the Sox. What do we think he can realistically net us at this point? Can he get us a Top 200sh guy? 

He probably brings back a prospect outside the top 100. The Dodgers 2024 trade for Jack Flaherty is probably the ceiling (Thayron Liranzo, a catcher just outside the top 100, and Trey Sweeny, glove first SS prospect), and the Padres acquiring Martin Perez from the Pirates is probably the floor (1 DSL pitcher who can't find the strike zone consistently).

[Timmy U]

18 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

He probably brings back a prospect outside the top 100. The Dodgers 2024 trade for Jack Flaherty is probably the ceiling (Thayron Liranzo, a catcher just outside the top 100, and Trey Sweeny, glove first SS prospect), and the Padres acquiring Martin Perez from the Pirates is probably the floor (1 DSL pitcher who can't find the strike zone consistently).

I have been searching for comps too. Those guys were each earning a lot more money than Houser is now, so maybe Houser is more valuable? Track record says no. Liranzo is interesting because Detroit probably had a top 100 grade on him at the time of the trade. I imagine they will get someone decent but not overwhelming.

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

He probably brings back a prospect outside the top 100. The Dodgers 2024 trade for Jack Flaherty is probably the ceiling (Thayron Liranzo, a catcher just outside the top 100, and Trey Sweeny, glove first SS prospect), and the Padres acquiring Martin Perez from the Pirates is probably the floor (1 DSL pitcher who can't find the strike zone consistently).

Probably, but let’s be optimistic.  Perhaps if he is lights out for 3 to 4 more starts before the deadline, Getz can do even better.  The Sox signed him for $1.35 million so the prorated amount of that for the rest of the season will be next to nothing.

[Falstaff]

Houser is on a roll but what he did last night in Denver really was impressive. Granted the Rockies aren't featuring the mauling lineup they have had in the past, but Coors Field has as history of humbling the most elite pitchers in the game.

Edited July 5 by Falstaff

[oldsox]

I would prefer the Sox extending Houser. No other team can negotiate with him now. Of course, I don't know what it would take to get him to commit to staying with Sox for 2026. What would it take? How much money for next year.

[caulfield12]

13 minutes ago, oldsox said:

I would prefer the Sox extending Houser. No other team can negotiate with him now. Of course, I don't know what it would take to get him to commit to staying with Sox for 2026. What would it take? How much money for next year.

Unless you're going into the 2027-28 seasons...it isn't going to make much sense.

Probably a similar deal to Fedde.

Edited July 5 by caulfield12

[oldsox]

13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Unless you're going into the 2027-28 seasons...it isn't going to make much sense.

Probably a similar deal to Fedde.

I think it makes a lot of sense.  They are going to need starting pitchers next year. I say, sign him, if possible.

[Chicago White Sox]

I said it in the gamethread, but you 100% trade Houser.  Assuming we trade none of these guys, you are looking at something like the below for next year:

1. Smith
2. Burke
3. Schultz
4. Thorpe
5. Martin
6. Cannon
7. Adams
8. Bush

By all means add some cheap veterans to the mix as we know injuries can quickly change the outlook of a staff, but you don’t pass on cashing in on Houser right now (assuming he has value) and agree to a multi year deal that makes it harder for these kids to get opportunities.

[Chicago White Sox]

I’d also be looking to sell Martin if people value the control and I can get a decent OF prospect.  I feel like that’s unlikely, but Getz will need to get creative.

[soxtalker999]

1 hour ago, oldsox said:

I think it makes a lot of sense.  They are going to need starting pitchers next year. I say, sign him, if possible.

 

35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I said it in the gamethread, but you 100% trade Houser.  Assuming we trade none of these guys, you are looking at something like the below for next year:

1. Smith
2. Burke
3. Schultz
4. Thorpe
5. Martin
6. Cannon
7. Adams
8. Bush

By all means add some cheap veterans to the mix as we know injuries can quickly change the outlook of a staff, but you don’t pass on cashing in on Houser right now (assuming he has value) and agree to a multi year deal that makes it harder for these kids to get opportunities.

He's 32 years old.  I would also think that the player may not find an extension from the Sox as being that desirable.  He was on a minor-league contract in the Texas organization.  He had just started pitching well on the Rangers' AAA team. Then they release him.  I didn't see any reason officially stated, but there are a lot of veterans on minor-league deals that have opt-out clauses if they aren't brought up to the MLB team by a certain date.  After release, he could have signed with any team, but he picked the Sox, where he was guaranteed MLB starts.  Now, he's pitching well.  If we trade him, he would likely be sent to a contending team with a chance to win it all.  

Those of us who think that he should be traded now see risk that a pitcher in his 30's might not keep pitching that well.  But it also probably weighs on the player's mind.  He'd probably love to be in the hunt for a title. 

Edited July 5 by soxtalker999

[pcq]

Wondering what pitchers if any would prefer not to pitch an extra month in the playoffs. 

[Ozzie for Manager]

It also helps that at this time all but 2 AL teams are within 5 games of the wild card and we are 1 of them.  In the NL there are 5. 

So there might be a lot of teams not selling this year.  I wonder how many other pitchers there are out the on the market. 

Keller and Faulter from the pirates.

Cabrera and Alcantara from Marlins. But Alcantara would be selling real low.  

Maybe the twins look to sell off  Pablo Lopez or Ryan.

I don't think there are that many decent SPs that will be out there.  Supply and demand

Edited July 5 by Ozzie for Manager

[WestEddy]

10 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Probably, but let’s be optimistic.  Perhaps if he is lights out for 3 to 4 more starts before the deadline, Getz can do even better.  The Sox signed him for $1.35 million so the prorated amount of that for the rest of the season will be next to nothing.

I think it's the same problem with Fedde. He doesn't have that dominant strikeout stuff. Fedde's affordable contract wasn't ringing the phones off the hook. Houser's expected numbers are higher than his actual. 

I think he's a solid pitcher right now, on a good and lucky run, and like Fedde, he'll get interest, but not the kind of interest a knockout/strikeout guy would have gotten. 

My own opinion is that the Sox should be targeting somebody out of the top 100, then develop him into the rankings. 

Edited July 5 by WestEddy

[WestEddy]

2 hours ago, pcq said:

Wondering what pitchers if any would prefer not to pitch an extra month in the playoffs. 

Javier Vazquez. 

[ChiSox59]

3 hours ago, oldsox said:

I would prefer the Sox extending Houser. No other team can negotiate with him now. Of course, I don't know what it would take to get him to commit to staying with Sox for 2026. What would it take? How much money for next year.

He's 32, soon to be 33. He can be signed in the offseason, if Getz so desires. Trade him for the best offer before he turns into a pumpkin. Anything else would be insane decision making. 

[kitekrazy]

We live under the assumption that players want to sign here.  Only the dumpster dives will sign. Then their hopes are to be traded.

Too bad he's a rental.  Only if there was another year

The best move Getz made was not trading Crochet at the deadline.

 

[kitekrazy]

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I said it in the gamethread, but you 100% trade Houser.  Assuming we trade none of these guys, you are looking at something like the below for next year:

1. Smith
2. Burke
3. Schultz
4. Thorpe
5. Martin
6. Cannon
7. Adams
8. Bush

By all means add some cheap veterans to the mix as we know injuries can quickly change the outlook of a staff, but you don’t pass on cashing in on Houser right now (assuming he has value) and agree to a multi year deal that makes it harder for these kids to get opportunities.

Hopefully some of them don't fall victim to the TJ virus

The modern day reason for you can never have enough pitching

[Chicago White Sox]

27 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Hopefully some of them don't fall victim to the TJ virus

The modern day reason for you can never have enough pitching

The good news (theoretically) is that 3/8 of them are coming off TJS and should (hopefully) have that risk behind them for a while.  And three others have had TJS in the not too distant past and should (hopefully) have that risk behind them for the near-term.  The problem is Schultz one of the two hasn’t had the surgery yet.

[GreenSox]

16 hours ago, WestEddy said:

He probably brings back a prospect outside the top 100. The Dodgers 2024 trade for Jack Flaherty is probably the ceiling (Thayron Liranzo, a catcher just outside the top 100, and Trey Sweeny, glove first SS prospect), and the Padres acquiring Martin Perez from the Pirates is probably the floor (1 DSL pitcher who can't find the strike zone consistently).

I like the Flaherty comp.

What about a Fedde comp?    Houser's a little light on Ks and doesn't have Fedde's story to explain the marked improvement.  A month ago I said no way to that comp.,  but Houser's nearing that territory.
 

[peanut33tillman]

1B Jonathon Long Cubs #11 prospect is the guy I’d be looking at. Big time numbers in Iowa hitting over 300 with 13 bombs and 54 driven in with a 900 OPS. Has really risen in their system and is a probably a 125-200 guy at this point. Not sure Houser could get him but with Long blocked by Busch at 1B in a year where they are likely going for it, ya never know..

[soxrwhite]

12 minutes ago, peanut33tillman said:

1B Jonathon Long Cubs #11 prospect is the guy I’d be looking at. Big time numbers in Iowa hitting over 300 with 13 bombs and 54 driven in with a 900 OPS. Has really risen in their system and is a probably a 125-200 guy at this point. Not sure Houser could get him but with Long blocked by Busch at 1B in a year where they are likely going for it, ya never know..

Helping the northsiders win is just bad for business.

[WestEddy]

54 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

I like the Flaherty comp.

What about a Fedde comp?    Houser's a little light on Ks and doesn't have Fedde's story to explain the marked improvement.  A month ago I said no way to that comp.,  but Houser's nearing that territory.
 

Fedde had a longer track record that season and was probably pretty thoroughly scouted in Korea. Houser reworked his delivery in the off-season, and it took a month to start feeling natural. 

I think that Fedde and Houser are great comps. Neither is a lockdown strikeout thrower. I think that put a damper on their value. Looking at the Fedde trade, it feels like Fedde brought back Vargas, Kopech - Perez, and a combo of the 3 (with Pham) got Albertus thrown in. The trade was probably a prospect short. I don't know what level. Another Perez/Albertus?

Adrian Houser has reason to believe his strong White Sox debut was a new beginning - Sox Machine

Houser talked with James Fegan about going to a pitching lab in the off-season:

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"Knowing that there's something I know is wrong and I can't quite pinpoint it, but I need to do something," Houser said of his feeling after '24. "It's about an hour and a half, hour and 45 from my house and I never really bought into it, but after last year it was like, 'You know what? I think I'm going to do it.' And it turned out to be a really big benefit from me."

The overriding theme of the fix sounds simple enough from description, removed from the strength building and reps needed to make it second nature. Houser has found more power from dipping deeper and riding longer on his back leg in his delivery, but lacked the balance to pull it off until he started setting up his hands farther away from his body. With his arms more extended, Houser is able to push on the gas pedal a little harder for a little longer.

"I was able to really get into my backside and use my lower half, versus being tall and falling down the mound or getting to my knee and not having much push-off," Houser said. "I noticed that it actually helped with my arm path on all my other pitches. I was able to get to my changeup and my curveball and my slider a little bit better. This isn't just a velo thing or a balance thing, it's an actual arm path and overall mechanics thing."

 

[peanut33tillman]

48 minutes ago, soxrwhite said:

Helping the northsiders win is just bad for business.

Eh I don’t care about that and neither should the Sox, get the best possible package. And I don’t think Houser is putting them over the top regardless. He’s been great but I can easily see him being fools gold in the 2nd half, honestly. 

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, peanut33tillman said:

1B Jonathon Long Cubs #11 prospect is the guy I’d be looking at. Big time numbers in Iowa hitting over 300 with 13 bombs and 54 driven in with a 900 OPS. Has really risen in their system and is a probably a 125-200 guy at this point. Not sure Houser could get him but with Long blocked by Busch at 1B in a year where they are likely going for it, ya never know..

I am sure they have a no hit older MI Getz would be interested in.

[peanut33tillman]

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am sure they have a no hit older MI Getz would be interested in.

He needs to cash in now on Houser. I’m not convinced he keeps this up in the 2nd half wherever he lands. Also yes, skeptical of the return Getz would get back. He’s probably our best trade chip.