Baldwin got 2 hits tonight. I hope he's not sent down to the minors.

26 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Baldwin got 2 hits tonight. I hope he's not sent down to the minors.

He’s the only young who can play the OF, feels like one of the veteran infielders needs to go.

11 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

that would be fucking insane. please let's not do that. don't throw a brand new position on him goodness.

Didn’t he play some 3B in the minors, I’m not sure but I thought I read that somewhere.

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

They waited until he had a GW hit in AAA...favorable hitting environment against the Rockies (headed for one of the worst seasons in history) and then three RH pitchers, including young Dollander who has been scuffling.

Not sure what else they could do.

Probably thought he could be overwhelmed in that racuous LA environment against Kershaw.

https://www.mlb.com/rockies/roster/probable-pitchers

The Rockies have been on a little bit of a roll so when the season is over the 2024 Sox still might be the team with the most losses in one year, not the worst in the modern era, the 1962 Mets still have the worst record based on winning percentage.

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

Baldwin got 2 hits tonight. I hope he's not sent down to the minors.

LR jr hurting and now Taylor in a collision I would be hesitant to send Baldwin down.

Edited July 4, 2025Jul 4 by Falstaff

It's gotta be Capra going. 

1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said:

The Rockies have been on a little bit of a roll so when the season is over the 2024 Sox still might be the team with the most losses in one year, not the worst in the modern era, the 1962 Mets still have the worst record based on winning percentage.

Non-expansion record...then.

For the record, I also think this is a bad idea and bound to fail, but I am no expert and will try to enjoy the ride for however long it lasts.  The infield is getting super fucking crowded though and hopefully it’s the vet who lose playing time instead of Sosa.

"It's just another safe reason  for people who need to be right,more reasons to feel good about themselves based on other people's failures. If he does poorly, like most prospects, they get to feel vindicated . See it was stupid. No, it's what happens with most prospects. If he has a good series in Colorado the whiners can safely claim small sample size and lick their jobs with his 1st 0 for 10 with 6 Ks. It's as if they want him to fail. Too much good press. It's like with Vargas since he's cooled down. The safe play is to say you don't believe in him because you don't really believe in anything Sox related."

 

Cali-what development "huge wins" on the position player side have they had since 2005-06?

It's basically Carlos Quentin Alexei Ramirez Jose Abreu Luis Robert and Tim Anderson.  And only one of these guys was truly homegrown.

Realistically, it's only Tim Anderson, because they missed on their evaluations of Semien and Tatis Jr., even if they did successfully identify them in the first place.

With that consistent lack of success...with the bottom quintile budget and bottom quintile stadium (or worse), wouldn't any objective/realistic/pragmatic Sox fan have reason to now be skeptical, especially with the recent "mistakes" on Konnor Griffin/Cags as well as Vaughn Burger (he actually looks like a "success" by recent Sox standards) and Madrigal?

And now once again Braden and Teel who we didn't develop as much as Boston did that are the two biggest cornerstones for the future.

12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

"It's just another safe reason  for people who need to be right,more reasons to feel good about themselves based on other people's failures. If he does poorly, like most prospects, they get to feel vindicated . See it was stupid. No, it's what happens with most prospects. If he has a good series in Colorado the whiners can safely claim small sample size and lick their jobs with his 1st 0 for 10 with 6 Ks. It's as if they want him to fail. Too much good press. It's like with Vargas since he's cooled down. The safe play is to say you don't believe in him because you don't really believe in anything Sox related."

 

Cali-what development "huge wins" on the position player side have they had since 2005-06?

It's basically Carlos Quentin Alexei Ramirez Jose Abreu Luis Robert and Tim Anderson.  And only one of these guys was truly homegrown.

Realistically, it's only Tim Anderson, because they missed on their evaluations of Semien and Tatis Jr., even if they did successfully identify them in the first place.

With that consistent lack of success...with the bottom quintile budget and bottom quintile stadium (or worse), wouldn't any objective/realistic/pragmatic Sox fan have reason to now be skeptical, especially with the recent "mistakes" on Konnor Griffin/Cags as well as Vaughn Burger (he actually looks like a "success" by recent Sox standards) and Madrigal?

And now once again Braden and Teel who we didn't develop as much as Boston did that are the two biggest cornerstones for the future.

I’m sorry, where is this quote from?  Is it your own?

And how did the Red Sox develop Braden more than us when he never played for them?

31 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’m sorry, where is this quote from?  Is it your own?

And how did the Red Sox develop Braden more than us when he never played for them?

From Cali earlier in the thread...second page I guess.

Fine, so our development success story for now largely rests on the shoulders of Colson Braden and Bonemer...but the latter two in particular.

 

Meidroth is 25th out of 35 SS's and trending towards a 2ish fWAR.  Cut off for "average" at that position is around 1.7-1.8 right now.

 

Vargas is 23rd out of 37 3B.

Only 0.7 fWAR and trending for 1.5ish when average at that spot is around 1.2 right now and McKinstry Clement and MGarcia share the top with Ramirez and Machado in the 3.0-2.5 range with Bregman sixth despite missed time at 2.4.

Edited July 4, 2025Jul 4 by caulfield12

14 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

that would be fucking insane. please let's not do that. don't throw a brand new position on him goodness.

Not suggesting it would be a good move, just wouldn't be surprised by it.

2 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said:

Didn’t he play some 3B in the minors, I’m not sure but I thought I read that somewhere.

Looking at his Baseball Reference page, he made 4 starts at 3B in 2025 before his stint in AZ and none previously, which is far fewer than I thought. Perhaps they aren't that dumb? 

15 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Looking at his Baseball Reference page, he made 4 starts at 3B in 2025 before his stint in AZ and none previously, which is far fewer than I thought. Perhaps they aren't that dumb? 

They can’t change him to 3B right now…that would be crazy.  At least not unless he makes 4-5 errors in the span of ten days.  Even then, should give him at least 100-150 at bats at SS unless completely overwhelmed.

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

"It's just another safe reason  for people who need to be right,more reasons to feel good about themselves based on other people's failures. If he does poorly, like most prospects, they get to feel vindicated . See it was stupid. No, it's what happens with most prospects. If he has a good series in Colorado the whiners can safely claim small sample size and lick their jobs with his 1st 0 for 10 with 6 Ks. It's as if they want him to fail. Too much good press. It's like with Vargas since he's cooled down. The safe play is to say you don't believe in him because you don't really believe in anything Sox related."

 

Cali-what development "huge wins" on the position player side have they had since 2005-06?

It's basically Carlos Quentin Alexei Ramirez Jose Abreu Luis Robert and Tim Anderson.  And only one of these guys was truly homegrown.

Realistically, it's only Tim Anderson, because they missed on their evaluations of Semien and Tatis Jr., even if they did successfully identify them in the first place.

With that consistent lack of success...with the bottom quintile budget and bottom quintile stadium (or worse), wouldn't any objective/realistic/pragmatic Sox fan have reason to now be skeptical, especially with the recent "mistakes" on Konnor Griffin/Cags as well as Vaughn Burger (he actually looks like a "success" by recent Sox standards) and Madrigal?

And now once again Braden and Teel who we didn't develop as much as Boston did that are the two biggest cornerstones for the future.

I think we're about two steps from claiming that the White Sox never even existed, never won a baseball game, and nobody is on the team. 

17 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I think we're about two steps from claiming that the White Sox never even existed, never won a baseball game, and nobody is on the team. 

Orioles 5 GB of Boston for fourth

White Sox 12 1/2 GB of KC

A's 7 1/2 GB of Rangers

Nats 2 1/2 GB of Braves

Pirates 7 1/2 GB of Reds

Rockies 23 GB of AZ for FOURTH

 

Two teams playing tonight certainly have something in common...only double digital spreads between last and fourth place, respectively.

That doesn't include the Angels and Marlins, who are both wildly outperforming pythagoreans, along with the Guardians.

Pirates are actually a quite respectable -29 in RS/RA.

Edited July 4, 2025Jul 4 by caulfield12

20 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Orioles 5 GB of Boston for fourth

White Sox 12 1/2 GB of KC

A's 7 1/2 GB of Rangers

Nats 2 1/2 GB of Braves

Pirates 7 1/2 GB of Reds

Rockies 23 GB of AZ for FOURTH

 

Two teams playing tonight certainly have something in common...only double digital spreads between last and fourth place, respectively.

That doesn't include the Angels and Marlins, who are both wildly outperforming pythagoreans, along with the Guardians.

Pirates are actually a quite respectable -29 in RS/RA.

You type very well. No mistakes. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. You go to such hyperbole that you're claiming the Boston Red Sox developed a player who never suited up for a single game in their system. You pretend they White Sox had no hand in developing Luis Robert. If the White Sox are as pathetic an organization as you claim, you wouldn't have to make up such ridiculous examples. When pressed, you throw up an unrelated hodgepodge of stats. 

23 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You type very well. No mistakes. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. You go to such hyperbole that you're claiming the Boston Red Sox developed a player who never suited up for a single game in their system. You pretend they White Sox had no hand in developing Luis Robert. If the White Sox are as pathetic an organization as you claim, you wouldn't have to make up such ridiculous examples. When pressed, you throw up an unrelated hodgepodge of stats. 

Luis Robert has what value now exactly?   And I’m not sure what they did to actually develop him other than writing his name into MiLB lineups.

He’s currently worth less  than Houser.  He does have 2023…like Rodon’s 2021.

And all the Cubans were Paddy and Hahn/KW anyway.

 

Also, the Red Sox are/were the ones who originally identified/drafted Braden…in the same way the White Sox scouting staff gets credit for Tatis, although neither player suited up officially for those teams.

The big wins for Getz right now are Vargas, Shane Smith and Meidroth.  Congrats I guess???  And Houser.  Or do plaudits go to WcKinven instead on former Brewers?

Edited July 4, 2025Jul 4 by caulfield12

 

Some believe Montgomery could take off at the big league level after dealing with true on-field struggles for the first time in his career. His chance begins at Coors Field.

“He was always a superstar and he still is a superstar in my eyes and in our eyes,” Jirschele said. “Just going through those failures and watching him grow as a person, as a human being, as a competitor, and understanding like, ‘Ok, what do I need to do to turn the page on this and get better from it and learn from it?’ It’s the right way going about it.”

“Even in the clubhouse, even in the early work, even during batting practice, some of the body language stuff that we can get from guys that they’re telling you some things about where their head’s at, how they’re feeling, those kinds of things,” White Sox director of player development Paul Janish said. “Colson is in a good place. He expects success right now, which is exciting.”

More Jirschele:  “He’s a really good teammate. He brings energy. He has an infectious smile about him. He just creates a vibe where he makes people better. He makes his teammates better. When he’s around them, guys gravitate toward him. Everything that his aura brings to a clubhouse, it’s infectious.”

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36 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You type very well. No mistakes. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. You go to such hyperbole that you're claiming the Boston Red Sox developed a player who never suited up for a single game in their system. You pretend they White Sox had no hand in developing Luis Robert. If the White Sox are as pathetic an organization as you claim, you wouldn't have to make up such ridiculous examples. When pressed, you throw up an unrelated hodgepodge of stats. 

Again, can you do this without the personal attacks?  

23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Luis Robert has what value now exactly?   And I’m not sure what they did to actually develop him other than writing his name into MiLB lineups.

He’s currently worth less  than Houser.  He does have 2023…like Rodon’s 2021.

And all the Cubans were Paddy and Hahn/KW anyway.

 

Also, the Red Sox are/were the ones who originally identified/drafted Braden…in the same way the White Sox scouting staff gets credit for Tatis, although neither player suited up officially for those teams.

The fact that Robert has fallen off the table in production now does not mean that he wasn't "developed" at an earlier point. Marco Paddy was a scout; he didn't develop prospects. Apparently, he was also bad at communicating what it was his department saw in many prospects to give development any idea. 

Tatis is a story of the prospect we traded away. I don't think anybody seriously gives the Sox any credit for his development. 

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Non-expansion record...then.

True.

21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Again, can you do this without the personal attacks?  

you must be thinking of a different website

I often wonder did the prospects fail or did the Sox fail the prospects?

Still amazed how careers tanked during the TLR/Grifol era.