MiddleCoastBias Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 8 hours ago, kitekrazy said: They need to change their image more than anything else. If you think Reinsdorf you think toxic. The same goes with a few other organizations. That's the challenge for Isbhia. This wont happen overnight. It's wishful thinking of signing quality free agents. Money doesn't always talk when some have enough. They only bribe they take is long term contracts. I know this isn't the point of this thread but I'm going to bang the drum I've been beating for a couple of years - I think we see a soft rebrand when Ishbia takes over, and we need it. Blah blah iconic black and white logo, I get it and I agree. But I think we rebrand and add red to the logo like the '52. Keep everything else, just add red accents. Small/big thing but it'll signify we're making a big transition, hopefully from top to bottom as an organization. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think we need to give me Meidroth more time before having this debate. Sosa was a -0.8 fWAR / 65 wRC+ player through his first 578 PAs. Meidroth is at 1.2 fWAR and 86 wRC+ (with some bad batted ball luck) in his first 349 PAs. Chase is still very much a developing player (as to be expected with a rookie) and I expect both his BA & OBP to improve substantially over the next couple years. I don’t disagree that Chase needs to find a way to make more impact, but there is still time to add some strength even if his frame will limit how much. That being said, we are talking about a player with elite bat to ball skills. His squared up rate is 2nd overall in baseball behind only Luis Arraez. Unlike Luis though, Meidroth has elite plate discipline and should eventually walk like crazy. The reality is we are talking about a unicorn with two elite offensive skills who plays good defense and is a smart base runner. The power / bat speed is lacking, but small enhancements there could result in a truly special player as his ability to square up on a small and make good swing decisions will maximize whatever power he has. Luis Arraez has all of 12 K's on the season. Yes, 12 whole strikeouts in 421 AB's. He also has the best contact rate in the Majors at around 95%. He doesnt walk a ton because he makes such ridiculous contact. Meanwhile Meidroth has 47 K in 310. Maybe chill comparing your boy to a 3 time batting champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: Luis Arraez has all of 12 K's on the season. Yes, 12 whole strikeouts in 421 AB's. He also has the best contact rate in the Majors at around 95%. He doesnt walk a ton because he makes such ridiculous contact. Meanwhile Meidroth has 47 K in 310. Maybe chill comparing your boy to a 3 time batting champion. Lol…love the hard flex that completely misses the point. Don’t know how to make this any simpler for you, but Chase Meidroth is second overall in squared up rate behind Luis Arraez. What part of that statement do you disagree with exactly? Next, you highlight that Arraez doesn’t walk a ton because he makes such ridiculous contact. It’s true he makes ridiculous, but the reason he doesn’t walk is because he chases like crazy outside of the zone. Meanwhile, Meidroth was the most disciplined hitter in the minors last year and currently has an 85th percentile chase rate as a rookie. His walk rate as a rookie is nearly 2x that of Arraez’s. What part of that statement do you disagree with? Honestly, I am kind of curious what part of my post has you so butt hurt. Just an oddly aggressive response for no obvious reason in my mind. Edited August 3 by Chicago White Sox 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Thinking about this more, but this offensive core is super fascinating to me. We more or less have a compete lineup from day one. Yes, it lacks some ceiling and impact, but that’s totally fine for a team entering year three of a rebuild with no long-term payroll commitments and hopefully a new owner influencing our free agent principles in the near future. When I look at the group, I feel really good about the infield and catcher. We have two guys that I feel can be major league SS’s in Colson & Meidroth. The former has the higher ceiling with elite bad speed that suggests he can be a true impact player one day if he can improve his swing decisions. Meidroth is a divisive player, one lacking loud physical tools but possessing incredible skill and intangibles. I can’t stress enough how unique it is to have a player with both elite bat to ball and plate discipline abilities. People seem to think I’m just some fanboy when it comes to Chase, but go look at Statcast data around the league and find a lot of guys like him. He’s a unicorn and one I think still has considerable room for growth even if power will never be a huge part of his game. Beyond those two, we have a plethora of infield options that can be part of next year’s group. Sosa is quickly becoming an interesting player. He’s flashing a plus hit tool and a swing that’s geared to maximize what is above average raw power for a 2B. The plate discipline is still a major red flag and I do worry his game could unravel at some point without some improvements there, but @Jake has called out that his chase rate has gotten better as the season has progressed. As much as we rip his defense, he seems like he can be average-ish at 2B. He looks like a legit 2 win player at the moment with the ceiling for more if he could actually draw some walks. On top of Sosa, you have two 2B/3B types in Mead & Antonacci who look like they could be big league regulars. I candidly don’t know a ton about the Mead, but his past prospect pedigree (former 55 FV type) is exciting and so is his Statcast profile this year which has flashed plus power, hit, and plate discipline abilities. His game hasn’t come together yet, but he hasn’t had an extended runway yet to make you feel that it can’t. He’s a guy the Sox must find a way to get at-bats to down the strength, even if those come at 1B, DH, etc. As for Antonacci, but I just saw a stat that said he’s the only minor league this year with an over 160 wRC+ and under a 15% K rate. There is likely some BABIP good luck mixed in there, but it’s clear as day he’s got a double plus or better hit tool with excellent plate discipline. As @Timmy U has pointed out, there are some similarities to Meidroth here, but Sam comes with a bigger frame and more physical projection along with being a LH hitter. He could be in the 3B/2B mix as soon as Opening Day next year IMO. Needless to say, there are almost too many options for these three spots, which is a good problem to have. I personally believe keeping Chase as the primary SS and Colson as the primary 3B is the way to go for the timing being (Colson should shift over to SS whenever Chase is on the bench). I believe Colson has the skills to be an elite defensive 3B with time. Chase will never be a stud defensive SS due to his lacking arm, but otherwise I think he has looked the part there and has exceeded my expectations. Most importantly, this alignment allows for 2B to be manned by Sosa, Mead, or Antonacci, which I think is the ideal position for all three of them. I’ll post more on the other positions later today, but I did want to highlight one other point when it comes to the infield. I love our strategy to add high ceiling prep infielders in the past two years in Bonemer & Carlson. Most of the guys mentioned above outside of Colson have capped ceilings but look like they can be average to slightly above average Major leaguers. At some point will we need to add some star power and impact, and it’s this wave of kids along with possibly our 2026 1st rounder (if they go the SS route) that could provide it down the road once our theoretical financial flexibility begins running dry as kids enter arbitration. It’s good long range planing and I think Getz deserves some kudos for his org building in this area. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPR Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 I’d put Colson at 3B long term. Billy Carlson, with his defense alone, will lock up SS for the next ten years. Sosa and Merideth interchange at 2B/SS based upon your own bias. And I wholeheartedly disagree with holding Schultz and Hagen back. Both should be seen right now at the Major League level. Sox can’t develop hitters but they sure can develop pitchers. Get those boys starting already. Better than 30 year old pending free agents trying to pad their stats to get a fat check that won’t be with the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 15 minutes ago, JPR said: I’d put Colson at 3B long term. Billy Carlson, with his defense alone, will lock up SS for the next ten years. Sosa and Merideth interchange at 2B/SS based upon your own bias. And I wholeheartedly disagree with holding Schultz and Hagen back. Both should be seen right now at the Major League level. Sox can’t develop hitters but they sure can develop pitchers. Get those boys starting already. Better than 30 year old pending free agents trying to pad their stats to get a fat check that won’t be with the White Sox. I think Carlson will lock up the shortstop job… in 2029. Until then, Colson will be supremely valuable as a ss with 25+ HR power. You could do worse. Also, Bonemer will get here before Carlson, but I think you could stick him anywhere but catcher and it would work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 19 minutes ago, JPR said: I’d put Colson at 3B long term. Billy Carlson, with his defense alone, will lock up SS for the next ten years. Sosa and Merideth interchange at 2B/SS based upon your own bias. And I wholeheartedly disagree with holding Schultz and Hagen back. Both should be seen right now at the Major League level. Sox can’t develop hitters but they sure can develop pitchers. Get those boys starting already. Better than 30 year old pending free agents trying to pad their stats to get a fat check that won’t be with the White Sox. I understand the sentiment of wanting Schultz and Hagen in the bigs but I think we really play down the importance of veteran leadership. We complain about older guys who pad their stats, but there are 8 of 26 guys on this team I would call older vets. 1st and 2nd year guys don't have the credibility to set the example, and routine isn't something that coaches "teach". 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie for Manager Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 In a couple weeks call them both up and go to a 6 man rotation. Plenty of rest and saves the young arms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 I would not bring up either Schultz or Smith. I don’t think either is Rule 5 eligible and the Sox will need those spots for McDougal, Pallette, and all the 60 day IL guys. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 15 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I would not bring up either Schultz or Smith. I don’t think either is Rule 5 eligible and the Sox will need those spots for McDougal, Pallette, and all the 60 day IL guys. I love a big picture look at roster moves. Very important. Getz wants to build a solid bullpen. Many were particularly worried about the BP in the off-season but Getz put a lot of trust in Katz and Bannister and stockpiling arms. It's gone fairly well on a rebuilding team that had room to cycle through numerous arms . April was rough as I suspected it would be but it seemed each month the pen got better and better. Don't know if stats will back me up on that. But lots of guys went up and down and the more consistent ones stuck. Slowly but quietly the Sox ended up with a decent BP. Not great but borderline good since about the middle of June. Bullpens always cause a lot of consternation and moreso when the offense is bottom of the barrel bad which it was until the slow but steady influx of the positional prospects. As they got more comfortable and the coaches reiterated hunting and turning on fastballs in hitters counts, they settled in after the All Star break. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideGeorgia Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) I haven’t see him pitch, so I don’t know his pitch profile… but does Chase Plymell have any MLB ability? Carry good numbers in AAA as a reliever, and solid progressions through minors. Edited August 3 by SouthSideGeorgia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 20 hours ago, MiddleCoastBias said: I know this isn't the point of this thread but I'm going to bang the drum I've been beating for a couple of years - I think we see a soft rebrand when Ishbia takes over, and we need it. Blah blah iconic black and white logo, I get it and I agree. But I think we rebrand and add red to the logo like the '52. Keep everything else, just add red accents. Small/big thing but it'll signify we're making a big transition, hopefully from top to bottom as an organization. I'd love to see them a forest green accent to the black and white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 1 hour ago, PaleAleSox said: I'd love to see them a forest green accent to the black and white. That would be interesting but they do have a history with the red edging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 6 hours ago, WestEddy said: I understand the sentiment of wanting Schultz and Hagen in the bigs but I think we really play down the importance of veteran leadership. We complain about older guys who pad their stats, but there are 8 of 26 guys on this team I would call older vets. 1st and 2nd year guys don't have the credibility to set the example, and routine isn't something that coaches "teach". I think this is the reason why they kept Tauchman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 6 hours ago, WestEddy said: I understand the sentiment of wanting Schultz and Hagen in the bigs but I think we really play down the importance of veteran leadership. We complain about older guys who pad their stats, but there are 8 of 26 guys on this team I would call older vets. 1st and 2nd year guys don't have the credibility to set the example, and routine isn't something that coaches "teach". I want Schultz and Hagen as aces. Well, you can't expect both to be aces, but at least 1 (include Taylor in that group). I am not eager for them to be rushed up; but by 2027, we need an ace out of that group. We need to do something about the OF. We essentially "punted" the problem back a year by retaining all 3 vets, so we'll lose a season of auditioning prospect/waiver-wire guys or whomever. Really, we have a logjam of infielders and some probably should spread their wings to play OF. And often, it's CF, versus a corner spot, that the ex-infielders have the most success with. As for vets, those 3 in the OF that we're stuck with are sufficient. We don't need Rojas and Taylor anymore. They are blocking at this point. Plus, the veteran has to "walk the walk" to have leadership credibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 3 hours ago, GreenSox said: I want Schultz and Hagen as aces. Well, you can't expect both to be aces, but at least 1 (include Taylor in that group). I am not eager for them to be rushed up; but by 2027, we need an ace out of that group. We need to do something about the OF. We essentially "punted" the problem back a year by retaining all 3 vets, so we'll lose a season of auditioning prospect/waiver-wire guys or whomever. Really, we have a logjam of infielders and some probably should spread their wings to play OF. And often, it's CF, versus a corner spot, that the ex-infielders have the most success with. As for vets, those 3 in the OF that we're stuck with are sufficient. We don't need Rojas and Taylor anymore. They are blocking at this point. Plus, the veteran has to "walk the walk" to have leadership credibility. Given the issues those two have had this year I just hope they are competent and not more failed first round Sox picks by 2027 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Shane Murphy unhittable in Birmingham right now and will be 25 on OD next year should be next man up for the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On 8/1/2025 at 11:51 PM, periphery831 said: RF Tauchman SS Meidroth LF Benintendi 1B Vargas CF Robert 3B Montgomery C Quero/Teel DH Quero/Teel 2B Sosa Rotation We have to be patient with Schultz and Hagen Smith Burke Thorpe Martin Cannon Civale Bullpen Leasure Eisert Wilson Vasil Closer Taylor Anyone else you are hopeful to realistically see or dismiss? Lineup is emerging as a decent one. Let's spend some cold hard cash and build a pitching staff. There are so few good relievers in baseball nowadays. Try to find a few and add 2 experienced starters. Work on the pitching since the lineup is contention worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 The problem here is that the really top tier relievers cost so much in $$$ or trade capital because all the contenders need them to win in the post season and current supply (for the rest of MLB) is even less with Clase likely out of baseball. At least they should be able to finish ahead of the Twins, who still need to dump Ryan and Lopez and the Guardians will probably deal Kwan to LAD like they did offloading Naylor's higher salary this past offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Of the 2 Brewer pitchers the Sox just picked up, maybe 1 of them could be in the mix for 2026 bullpen or this season. 2024 LHP Bryan Hudson 1.73 era 0.722 whip in 62 innings out of the pen - at Charlotte RHP Elvis Peguero, no control - at Charlotte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I want to believe but after getting burned by the last rebuild the only chickens I'm going to dare count are Colson Montgomery Edgar Quero Kyle Teel Lenyn Sosa Sean Burke Grant Taylor (reliever) Meidroth is on the borderline — he's the closest we can get to a reincarnated Nellie Fox since you know who — for me and Vargas graduated from "jettison into the sun" to "wait and see" territory. On 8/2/2025 at 8:38 PM, MiddleCoastBias said: I know this isn't the point of this thread but I'm going to bang the drum I've been beating for a couple of years - I think we see a soft rebrand when Ishbia takes over, and we need it. Blah blah iconic black and white logo, I get it and I agree. But I think we rebrand and add red to the logo like the '52. Keep everything else, just add red accents. Small/big thing but it'll signify we're making a big transition, hopefully from top to bottom as an organization. No owner is gonna ditch branding that is profitable despite the team being catastrophically bad. All you do is risk another team taking that spot (like Jay-Z tried with the Nets). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periphery831 Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 Great responses guys. So if we look even further down the line it looks like these will be the biggest contributors in the next 5 years. LHP Noah Schultz (2025/26) LHP Hagen Smith (2026) OF Braden Montgomery (2027) 3B Caleb Bonemer (2028) SS Billy Carlson (2029) Does anyone consider anyone else in this category? The starting infield for the next 5 years looks set with Vargas, Meidroth, Sosa, Montgomery, Teel and Quero. It's then a question of how we manage Benintendi, Robert and Tauchman and if Schultz and Hagen get going. Add to that a big bat and a couple of solid relievers and you have yourself a potential division winning team IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 4 hours ago, Falstaff said: Of the 2 Brewer pitchers the Sox just picked up, maybe 1 of them could be in the mix for 2026 bullpen or this season. 2024 LHP Bryan Hudson 1.73 era 0.722 whip in 62 innings out of the pen - at Charlotte RHP Elvis Peguero, no control - at Charlotte I missed that event; was that post-deadline on the waiver wire? Didn't we also get a couple of Rule 5 Pitchers along with Mead from Tampa? Any hope for those 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 34 minutes ago, GreenSox said: I missed that event; was that post-deadline on the waiver wire? Didn't we also get a couple of Rule 5 Pitchers along with Mead from Tampa? Any hope for those 2? Transactions White Sox All Angels Astros Athletics Blue Jays Braves Brewers Cardinals Cubs D-backs Dodgers Giants Guardians Mariners Marlins Mets Nationals Orioles Padres Phillies Pirates Rangers Rays Red Sox Reds Rockies Royals Tigers Twins White Sox Yankees Team Date Transaction 08/03/25 Chicago White Sox placed 3B Miguel Vargas on the 10-day injured list retroactive to August 2, 2025. Left oblique strain. 08/03/25 Chicago White Sox designated RHP Jesse Scholtens for assignment. 08/03/25 Chicago White Sox recalled 1B Curtis Mead from Charlotte Knights. 08/03/25 Chicago White Sox claimed LHP Bryan Hudson off waivers from Milwaukee Brewers. 08/03/25 Chicago White Sox optioned RHP Elvis Peguero to Charlotte Knights. 08/03/25 Chicago White Sox optioned LHP Bryan Hudson to Charlotte Knights. 08/03/25 Chicago White Sox claimed RHP Elvis Peguero off waivers from Milwaukee Brewers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 41 minutes ago, GreenSox said: I missed that event; was that post-deadline on the waiver wire? Didn't we also get a couple of Rule 5 Pitchers along with Mead from Tampa? Any hope for those 2? Waiver wire yesterday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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