Robert Thread: Sox talking to Reds, Mets

[caulfield12]

49 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

I can't help but wonder, if Robert Jr gets traded, who plays center for the team?  Are they trading him because he's making $20 million dollars? If he was  making $5 million dollars would he still be traded?

Hill/Pereira/Bleday

[WBWSF]

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Hill/Pereira/Bleday

Would anybody want any of those 3 instead of Robert Jr?

[SoCalChiSox]

53 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

God I hope it is. Give me one of the starters talked about, the comp pick and an OF prospect. Prob an overpay for how he’s currently viewed but I want it lol

If this guy is correct that the return would be larger than industry expectations, I wonder what that would look like in terms of offers from CIN, NYM and PIT?

 

[caulfield12]

Just now, WBWSF said:

Would anybody want any of those 3 instead of Robert Jr?

Nobody would.

It's the same arguments we'll be hearing about prospects at 2026 trade deadline if Murakami has 25 homers, .260 average and 900+ ops.

Why trade him and piss off the fans?

Same reason the Tigers are going to trade Skubal for a boatload of prospects...they would never give $400 million or even $200-$250 million to a pitcher 30 and over when they could get 4 of the Dodgers Top Ten prospects and Sheehan while absorbing the much lesser Glasnow contract.

[Bob Sacamano]

20 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Would anybody want any of those 3 instead of Robert Jr?

I don’t mind if we have another draft pick and another prospect or two.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

I can't help but wonder, if Robert Jr gets traded, who plays center for the team?  Are they trading him because he's making $20 million dollars? If he was  making $5 million dollars would he still be traded?

If they do trade Robert, I think Baldwin is the best internal candidate for CF.

[caulfield12]

Prospects like this?

Yhoiker Fajardo is the real prize. Nineteen-year-old who reached Low-A for the Red Sox after being dealt from the White Sox and struck out a ton of people. Above average pitches thus far, but he's got tons of projection remaining (6'3", 181 lbs.) to make them better.

[caulfield12]

3 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

If they do trade Robert, I think Baldwin is the best internal candidate for CF.

He was so shaky on the corners though...how would he have built the confidence to run the entire outfield?

It's just like playing Sosa everyday at second base.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

He was so shaky on the corners though...how would he have built the confidence to run the entire outfield?

It's just like playing Sosa everyday at second base.

It’s worth noting that Baldwin was better defensively in CF than any other position he played last year. And I think he would benefit from playing one position consistently as opposed to constantly moving around.

[SoCalChiSox]

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

He was so shaky on the corners though...how would he have built the confidence to run the entire outfield?

It's just like playing Sosa everyday at second base.

It shouldn't be super hard to get Meyers from HOU for like Cannon plus some 15-20 level prospect. That would be much better than trying to turn Baldwin into a CF.

If we added him plus like another solid SP option, we could conceivably be close to a .500 team.

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

It shouldn't be super hard to get Meyers from HOU for like Cannon plus some 15-20 level prospect. That would be much better than trying to turn Baldwin into a CF.

If we added him plus like another solid SP option, we could conceivably be close to a .500 team.

Then you're just renting a soon to be declining player for two years..

Every position should have a long-term solution for 2028-30.

And as a result you're putting Sean Newcomb in the rotation?

[WestEddy]

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Then you're just renting a soon to be declining player for two years..

Every position should have a long-term solution for 2028-30.

And as a result you're putting Sean Newcomb in the rotation?

You do understand they have to play the games this year, right? If they don't have a "top prospect" ready to step in at CF, or into the rotation, I'm not sure what your solution is. If Sean Newcomb wins a starting job and is good enough to hold off the likes of Cannon or Davitt, he's probably good enough to get interest at the TDL. Same with Jake Meyers. 

[caulfield12]

25 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You do understand they have to play the games this year, right? If they don't have a "top prospect" ready to step in at CF, or into the rotation, I'm not sure what your solution is. If Sean Newcomb wins a starting job and is good enough to hold off the likes of Cannon or Davitt, he's probably good enough to get interest at the TDL. Same with Jake Meyers. 

Wasting time on players who aren't part of the "playoff future" and have limited trade value does what exactly?

Play Baldwin or Pereira if there's no other choice.

 

With Murakamui, he at least addresses marketing/ticket sales, Japanese "future" Connection AND abundant trade or QO possibilities.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

Would anybody want any of those 3 instead of Robert Jr?

No.  You want the 18 to 24 years of control from the players you get who might actually fit your competitive window.  Luis Robert on a 102 loss team is a Ferrari in a trailer park.  Back up the truck and see what you can do help you in 2030, because you aren't winning in 2026.

[caulfield12]

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

No.  You want the 18 to 24 years of control from the players you get who might actually fit your competitive window.  Luis Robert on a 102 loss team is a Ferrari in a trailer park.  Back up the truck and see what you can do help you in 2030, because you aren't winning in 2026.

Unless Ishbia as a futuristic PE Santa Claus is issuing "generous" extensions to Robert and Murakami...

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

Unless Ishbia as a futuristic PE Santa Claus is issuing "generous" extensions to Robert and Murakami...

He can do that is a year, or two, when he is a free agent and the Sox know more about the state of the rebuild 

[Chick Mercedes]

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

No.  You want the 18 to 24 years of control from the players you get who might actually fit your competitive window.  Luis Robert on a 102 loss team is a Ferrari in a trailer park.  Back up the truck and see what you can do help you in 2030, because you aren't winning in 2026.

I definitely appreciate the idea of crossing off worries over 2026. Yet OTOH, there isn’t much difference in potential good outcomes whichever path is chosen with regards to Robert. Keeping Robert until the deadline on the off chance he rehabbed some trade value is as reasonable choice as any. And as a bonus, it would be a lot more fun to watch this lineup with  Robert bracketed by real left handed threats. For potential entertainment value alone without very much downside to worry over, the option of keeping Robert around for awhile grows on me.

[T R U]

The sad reality is Luis Robert is a $20 million dollar player whose riding 2 straight years of injury filled sub level value. It shouldn’t be surprising at all the Sox are ready to move on as well as getting mediocre offers from other teams. The arrow is way down on this guy now, I think we’ll ultimately look at the trade return and lament what could have been.