Lip Man 1 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 20 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I have no idea who they plan to add as the offseason progresses, but subtracting Tauchman, Gomez, Wilson, and Booser while taking a flyer on Pereira, Murphy and R/R MiLB utility player Tanner Murray does not feel like a team trying to add wins this season. I think they are significantly worse, which ain't easy. I guess you haven't been paying much attention to the pap nonsense Getz has been saying this off season. They aren't going to sign anybody worth a damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 18 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Yeah, probably an overstatement. I think last year's team was really more like a 70 win team. They severely underperformed their run differential. I was feeling optimistic that they might be a 75 win team coming into the year, but they reduced their starter depth, their reliever depth, and now they don't have a rightfielder. Not great. They do have five young players that I think will help them this year (B. Montgomery, Antonacci, H. Smith, Schultz, and McDougal). Hopefully, they are clearing out space for them? Cuz I personally can't handle another year of giving 350+ at bats to AAAA players like Josh Rojas, Nicky Lopez, and, gulp, Derek Hill. But you're right. Even if they do that, they should still win more than 62 with the young guys they now have in the lineup. They underperformed because their bullpen was terrible. That isn't probably going to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBJ03 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I guess you haven't been paying much attention to the pap nonsense Getz has been saying this off season. They aren't going to sign anybody worth a damn. I mean what positions are you really trying to fill? Are people really that upset if they start the year with Teel/Quero, Meidroth/Sosa, C. Montgomery, Vargas, Bennentendi, Robert as the guys getting most of the playing time? Im just not sure who would want to play here and fits a position of need? Is Cody Bellinger interested in playing 1b or RF here? Is Schwarber looking to DH here? I mean I get people are upset they arent spending but they arent in a position to rosterwise where they can attract real FA's who require significant contracts. I'd rather watch all the young guys play everyday while they sort out the rotation with who can hack it from Martin, Smith, McDougal, Burke, Cannon, Thorpe, Adams, Schultz, H. Smith, Bush, Vasil. Edited November 21 by CBJ03 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 (edited) 2026 White Sox projected at $64 million vs. Marlins at $59 million. Not sure if that reflects Tauchman subtraction yet. https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/breakdowns/payroll&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjrscSQtISRAxUbk2oFHcPSMz8QFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw2jqxG52IdPN6sSkChCWq2r Robert Benintendi Alcantara Cabrera some of the salaries to monitor... Edited November 21 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 31 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: You could say that about any prospect. Getz gave up a 19 year old pitching prospect for 33 year old reliever and got 31 innings and a -0.5 bWAR out of him. It was a horrendous trade. 50 minutes ago, Jake said: I'm not really losing sleep over the Booser deal but there's no way to put lipstick on that pig either. Chances are that it winds up a draw but all the upside lives with the Red Sox now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 Non tendering Tauchmann makes sense. Superfluous with Tucker. 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, nrockway said: I'd rather the new guy Pereira play CF. Supposedly he's "slowed down" but still has the range to play the position. Hill seems worthless. How do we know Pereira isn't in the plans to be the the starting RF or LF? Hill is fine as a 4th OF. He's in the 99% in speed and plays very good defense. If you liked Billy Hamilton then you should have no issue with Hill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 34 minutes ago, bmags said: Non tendering Tauchmann makes sense. Superfluous with Tucker. Tucker has a brother? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Old pal Gregory Santos non-tendered, if you want to take a chance on him again. They absolutely should, I know Bannister doesn’t like him for whatever reason but maybe the Sox shouldn’t be taking his advice on pro personnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Tucker has a brother? They're going to sign Preston just to try for the "Sox sign Tucker" headlines for a day or two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Tucker has a brother? Think he means Tucker Barnhart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Booser's a bummer. Elko was predictable. I thought Pereira made hill expendable, but now they have 2 guys who can cover CF in a pinch. Tauchman - seems like a great guy, good value, he's probably cooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 31 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said: They absolutely should, I know Bannister doesn’t like him for whatever reason but maybe the Sox shouldn’t be taking his advice on pro personnel Let me add to this, A rebuilding team is in no position to be trading young prospects for unproven relievers, especially those over the age of 30. I know the plan was to be able to flip a guy like Booser for a better prospect but I’d rather have the certainty of a guy like Fjardo* in my system than take the risk of getting a better prospect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 14 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said: Let me add to this, A rebuilding team is in no position to be trading young prospects for unproven relievers, especially those over the age of 30. I know the plan was to be able to flip a guy like Booser for a better prospect but I’d rather have the certainty of a guy like Fjardo* in my system than take the risk of getting a better prospect To sum up the Booser trade: Yhoiks! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 7 hours ago, Timmy U said: To sum up the Booser trade: Yhoiks! The thought process behind the trade was a failure. The outcome was a failure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 12 hours ago, bmags said: Non tendering Tauchmann makes sense. Superfluous with Tucker. It probably means Braden Montgomery has already made the team for OD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, poppysox said: It probably means Braden Montgomery has already made the team for OD. Why not wait until May 1st? They’re not competing for anything next year…the year of control is more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, poppysox said: It probably means Braden Montgomery has already made the team for OD. Think it just means they don’t want to commit $3M+ to a 35-year old, broken down player who will move to the bench after the first couple weeks/month of the season when Braden comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 15 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: I thought the purpose of not trading him at the deadline was because they were gonna tender him and keep him around another season I agree to Non tender makes zero sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Soxfest said: I agree to Non tender makes zero sense They only held onto him at the time because of his baby’s medical issues (I think cleft lip?) and having family support in area. More of a pain to uproot a guy midseason. Also, the return we would have gotten for him would likely be a guy we’re not even talking about 2-3 years from now. Edited November 22 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxtalker999 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 22 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Think it just means they don’t want to commit $3M+ to a 35-year old, broken down player who will move to the bench after the first couple weeks/month of the season when Braden comes up. I probably would have phrased it in a way that was a bit kinder toward Tauchmann, but I think that this captures the idea. As I recall, he was projected to get $3.4 million. With all the rumors floating around about other players, I would guess that Getz and his team probably weren't hearing any offers for Tauchmann. So, Tauchmann's real value has dropped. It will be interesting to see what he gets as a free agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 4 minutes ago, soxtalker999 said: I probably would have phrased it in a way that was a bit kinder toward Tauchmann, but I think that this captures the idea. As I recall, he was projected to get $3.4 million. With all the rumors floating around about other players, I would guess that Getz and his team probably weren't hearing any offers for Tauchmann. So, Tauchmann's real value has dropped. It will be interesting to see what he gets as a free agent. I would guess maybe what he just got from the Sox last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) 10 hours ago, Boopa1219 said: The thought process behind the trade was a failure. The outcome was a failure A rebuilding team trading young talent for a 33 year old lefty reliever. Gotta be the dumbest idea ever. Getz a fucking clue. Edited November 22 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 6 hours ago, poppysox said: It probably means Braden Montgomery has already made the team for OD. Doubtful, and would basically be the stupid Andrew Vaughn decision all over again. Montgomery has a total of 517 plate appearances in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) 22 hours ago, WestEddy said: Booser's a bummer. Elko was predictable. I thought Pereira made hill expendable, but now they have 2 guys who can cover CF in a pinch. Tauchman - seems like a great guy, good value, he's probably cooked. I love watching your opinion of players eb and weave with Getz moves. Month ago Tauch was a part of a 70 win team next year but since Getz nontendered him he must be cooked. Edited November 22 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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