caulfield12 Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 Fairbanks now the #1 closing option on the market for anywhere from 6-10 teams. Was supposed to be the next to sign after Finnegan, according to Winter Meeting rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 22 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Fairbanks now the #1 closing option on the market for anywhere from 6-10 teams. Was supposed to be the next to sign after Finnegan, according to Winter Meeting rumors. I do believe the Finnegan signing (2/$19) has priced the Sox out of the running for Fairbanks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 7 hours ago, WestEddy said: But the message has been moving steadily in a certain direction. At first, Getz stated they would lean heavily on the prospects who made it to the majors developing, along with the guys like B. Monty and Antonacci getting promoted, along with a few veteran acquisitions to fill in the holes. Then they switched to talking about being aggressive with their targets and not being afraid to add on years if that's what it took to get the guys they wanted. Now we're hearing talk about guys like Fairbanks. They're telling you what they want to do, and that's what to watch for. I actually think an off-season of O'Hearn, Fairbanks or May, another SP and maybe Bleday, if they dealt Robert - would be a productive off-season for where the team is right now. Im finding it hard to believe they spend more than $80M. Figuring in the Pre Arb raises brings them to about $61M leaving approx $19M left to spend if they spend about the same as last year. Everyone should just throw out a number of what they think payroll will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 (edited) 12 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Im finding it hard to believe they spend more than $80M. Figuring in the Pre Arb raises brings them to about $61M leaving approx $19M left to spend if they spend about the same as last year. Everyone should just throw out a number of what they think payroll will be. Only TB and CLE pretty sure have even made the playoffs with Bottom 5 payroll...bottom 2, would have to look it up. Self-fulfilling prophecy to claim woe is me/we can't compete under those hamstringing conditions. Ofc 6 years ago every expert in the game was predicting Sox dominance for a half decade. Virtually nobody is saying that now/yet about 2028-30. Edited December 11 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 50 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Im finding it hard to believe they spend more than $80M. Figuring in the Pre Arb raises brings them to about $61M leaving approx $19M left to spend if they spend about the same as last year. Everyone should just throw out a number of what they think payroll will be. They didn’t have a TV deal for a large chunk of last year, hard tot believe the payroll wouldn’t go up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 Doesn't seem like we are gonna do jack s%*#. Not surprising but still mildly disappointing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 12 Author Share Posted December 12 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: They didn’t have a TV deal for a large chunk of last year, hard tot believe the payroll wouldn’t go up. In JR's mind...instead of spending into more debt, he's attempting just to get back to even from significant debt. 2020/2023-2025 led to losses, and they're quite fortunate if they're creating another $10-12 million this year. Low viewership is likely making it challenging to sell advertising/sponsorships without heavily discounting or promising free placement in future seasons, when the team is theoretically more competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 20 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Doesn't seem like we are gonna do jack s%*#. Not surprising but still mildly disappointing. Getz listed off a pretty big laundry list of items including high leverage relief help, more SP depth, a LH bat at a corner IF spot, and possibly another corner OF. Throw in Kay and two Rule 5 picks and that would be quite a bit of activity. Likely small stakes financially, but could / should make the team better and more fun to watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 (edited) 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Getz listed off a pretty big laundry list of items including high leverage relief help, more SP depth, a LH bat at a corner IF spot, and possibly another corner OF. Throw in Kay and two Rule 5 picks and that would be quite a bit of activity. Likely small stakes financially, but could / should make the team better and more fun to watch. We'll be lucky to add 4 WAR imo. Regardless team will be more watchable next year, only can go up from here. We'll see how high. Edited December 12 by chitownsportsfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: In JR's mind...instead of spending into more debt, he's attempting just to get back to even from significant debt. 2020/2023-2025 led to losses, and they're quite fortunate if they're creating another $10-12 million this year. Low viewership is likely making it challenging to sell advertising/sponsorships without heavily discounting or promising free placement in future seasons, when the team is theoretically more competitive. Last year led to losses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: We'll be lucky to add 4 WAR imo. Depends on the additions. A legit closer would provide far more value than their projected WAR given who they’re replacing. Regardless, the bulk of improvement needs to come from the young guys. I’m happy with smaller scale additions in FA this offseason to improve the floor and take some pressure off the kids. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 54 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: They didn’t have a TV deal for a large chunk of last year, hard tot believe the payroll wouldn’t go up. Jerry needs Ishbia to pay off Sox debts . Throw out a number you think it ends up at. I'm willing to say it could happen . I'm just not comfortable thinking JR is going to throw us a tiny bone while he's a lame duck owner planning his estate for his death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Jerry needs Ishbia to pay off Sox debts . Throw out a number you think it ends up at. I'm willing to say it could happen . I'm just not comfortable thinking JR is going to throw us a tiny bone while he's a lame duck owner planning his estate for his death. I’d say ~$90M is what I’d expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’d say ~$90M is what I’d expect. I think that's what I came up with to Caulfield earlier - when all is said and done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 12 Author Share Posted December 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Last year led to losses? Going from $70 million to roughly $10-12 million in tv revenues…has also absolutely killed CLE and MN. Then you had that loss when they offered access for free…relying on advertising. Teams getting broadcasts taken over by MLB were getting paid roughly $13-17 million depending on market size/ratings. Edited December 12 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 12 Author Share Posted December 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Getz listed off a pretty big laundry list of items including high leverage relief help, more SP depth, a LH bat at a corner IF spot, and possibly another corner OF. Throw in Kay and two Rule 5 picks and that would be quite a bit of activity. Likely small stakes financially, but could / should make the team better and more fun to watch. With Vargas Mead Sosa backup catcher…for that 1B spot? I know you’re going to argue O’Hearn, but theres just no way two separate guys in the $8-12 million range can/will be added. Look what Yastremski just got at his age. Edited December 12 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’d say ~$90M is what I’d expect. How much room would that give us to spend right now? Note: If we can swap out Robert's 20m for Meyers 5m or so that would also help alot. Edited December 12 by SoCalChiSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 29 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: How much room would that give us to spend right now? Note: If we can swap out Robert's 20m for Meyers 5m or so that would also help alot. I believe we’re at $61M with a full 26 man roster of pre arb guys. However, let’s say we plan to add four more players (1B, OF, RP, SP), we’d also shave off $3M of salary out of that $61M. As such, I think you could say we have $32M to work with if you assume an exact $90M payroll. Theoretically this would be possible with that space: 1B: O’Hearn = $13.5M (2/$27M) OF: Bleday = $2.5M (1/$2.5M) RP: Fairbanks = $10M (2/$20M) SP: TBD FA = $6M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 12 Author Share Posted December 12 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I believe we’re at $61M with a full 26 man roster of pre arb guys. However, let’s say we plan to add four more players (1B, OF, RP, SP), we’d also shave off $3M of salary out of that $61M. As such, I think you could say we have $32M to work with if you assume an exact $90M payroll. Theoretically this would be possible with that space: 1B: O’Hearn = $13.5M (2/$27M) OF: Bleday = $2.5M (1/$2.5M) RP: Fairbanks = $10M (2/$20M) SP: TBD FA = $6M https://southsideshowdown.com/what-white-sox-fans-learned-about-the-team-s-offseason-plan-after-winter-meetings Dustin May provides a lot more versatility fwiw. Just depends on the medicals. Would go May and Bleday and let 2026 at least play out until the deadline. (Unless they can trade Robert before the beginning of the season.) Twins also in on O'Hearn when they already have eight LH hitting options among their OF 1B DH core. That's a bit weird. Edited December 12 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 33 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: https://southsideshowdown.com/what-white-sox-fans-learned-about-the-team-s-offseason-plan-after-winter-meetings Dustin May provides a lot more versatility fwiw. Just depends on the medicals. Would go May and Bleday and let 2026 at least play out until the deadline. (Unless they can trade Robert before the beginning of the season.) Twins also in on O'Hearn when they already have eight LH hitting options among their OF 1B DH core. That's a bit weird. They want to finish ahead of the Sox in 2026 so taking all the LHHs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 12 Author Share Posted December 12 8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: They want to finish ahead of the Sox in 2026 so taking all the LHHs. Cornering the market...niche advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 This kind of money for Lane Thomas doesn’t bode well for anyone thinking Getz is going to sign another outfielder… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 12 Author Share Posted December 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: This kind of money for Lane Thomas doesn’t bode well for anyone thinking Getz is going to sign another outfielder… $2-3 million surcharge for LH hitters. https://southsideshowdown.com/should-the-white-sox-target-or-avoid-these-veteran-outfielders-in-free-agency Target 35 year old Rob Refsnyder and 33 year old Max Kepler, avoid Michael Conforto. Brilliant. OF: Mike Yastrzemski (signed), Max Kepler, Rob Refsnyder, Cedric Mullins (signed), Lane Thomas (signed), Michael Conforto, Starling Marte, Andrew McCutchen, Randal Grichuk, Miguel Andujar, Tommy Pham (not happening, to Schiffren’s chagrin), Ryan Ward, Austin Slater (not happening), Michael A. Taylor (retired), Dustin Harris, Daz Cameron, Billy McKinney Edited December 12 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 5 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: This kind of money for Lane Thomas doesn’t bode well for anyone thinking Getz is going to sign another outfielder… I think they’ll be more in the non-tendered/reclamation project pool. Still think they end up with Bleday for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 12 Share Posted December 12 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I think they’ll be more in the non-tendered/reclamation project pool. Still think they end up with Bleday for some reason. Bleday comes with multiple years of control too. Still shocked that the A’s couldn’t find a buyer at his salary prior to non-tendering him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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