At this point, I think we can all agree that this team should be buyers to at least some extent at the deadline. So with that in mind, I thought it would be nice to have a central place to share trade ideas, rumors, proposals, etc

Ready, go.

I’ll go with Sonny Gray. He’s an old, somewhat expensive veteran SP who has seen a big drop in his K rate this year. Despite that, he’s still on pace for a ~3 win season and it doesn’t seem like his pure stuff has deteriorated all that much when looking at velocity & spin rates. The K rate is the lowest it’s been in years, but it’s always been very volatile and he’s be able to succeed when it’s down. From what I can tell, his sweeper & curveball are getting harder this year but without a material change in movement…I expect that to change with time.

Hard to predict what his cost will be at this point. With a ~3 win projection and potentially $10M in cost for his final 1/3 of the season, you aren’t looking at any real surplus value. Obviously this a trade deadline deal, so you’re going to pay a premium just for the pure production regardless. However, if the Red Sox force teams to take on that money, it will keep the cost more reasonable. The other factor that could inflate prices is it potentially being a big sellers’ market.

I’m not giving up any of the young guys off the major league roster or any of my top five prospects for a rental the caliber of Gray. I think a package built around Gabe Davis and an infield prospect (Lodise, Shelton, or Mogollon) is what I’d try to offer. Pitching has been our weakness at the major league level, so tough to give up Davis who isn’t too far out. That being said, with Adams and eventually Thorpe & Bush coming back alongside guys like McDougal, Smith, & Sandlin, I think we can afford to give up Davis to help augment the major league team.

13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’ll go with Sonny Gray. He’s an old, somewhat expensive veteran SP who has seen a big drop in his K rate this year. Despite that, he’s still on pace for a ~3 win season and it doesn’t seem like his pure stuff has deteriorated all that much when looking at velocity & spin rates. The K rate is the lowest it’s been in years, but it’s always been very volatile and he’s be able to succeed when it’s down. From what I can tell, his sweeper & curveball are getting harder this year but without a material change in movement…I expect that to change with time.

Hard to predict what his cost will be at this point. With a ~3 win projection and potentially $10M in cost for his final 1/3 of the season, you aren’t looking at any real surplus value. Obviously this a trade deadline deal, so you’re going to pay a premium just for the pure production regardless. However, if the Red Sox force teams to take on that money, it will keep the cost more reasonable. The other factor that could inflate prices is it potentially being a big sellers’ market.

I’m not giving up any of the young guys off the major league roster or any of my top five prospects for a rental the caliber of Gray. I think a package built around Gabe Davis and an infield prospect (Lodise, Shelton, or Mogollon) is what I’d try to offer. Pitching has been our weakness at the major league level, so tough to give up Davis who isn’t too far out. That being said, with Adams and eventually Thorpe & Bush coming back alongside guys like McDougal, Smith, & Sandlin, I think we can afford to give up Davis to help augment the major league team.

Yeah eat that contract and trade very little

Freddy Peralta would be interesting. Not sure what it would take to get him but he's only got $4m left on his contract.

Jose Soriano if they wanted to make a longer term play but I doubt they want to do that.

33 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’m not giving up any of the young guys off the major league roster or any of my top five prospects for a rental the caliber of Gray. I think a package built around Gabe Davis and an infield prospect (Lodise, Shelton, or Mogollon) is what I’d try to offer. Pitching has been our weakness at the major league level, so tough to give up Davis who isn’t too far out. That being said, with Adams and eventually Thorpe & Bush coming back alongside guys like McDougal, Smith, & Sandlin, I think we can afford to give up Davis to help augment the major league team.

Dylan Cease just signed for c. $25 mill so at $35 mill per year (plus liable for $5 mill on 2027 buyout), Gray is a lot overpaid.
He is still effective, but at 35 with a 4 seam that barely reaches 92, this really should be a salary dump situation.
But in the realm of buying pitchers in July, which I greatly dislike in general, better the cheap ones like this.

Edited yesterday at 02:50 PM1 day by GreenSox

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’ll go with Sonny Gray. He’s an old, somewhat expensive veteran SP who has seen a big drop in his K rate this year. Despite that, he’s still on pace for a ~3 win season and it doesn’t seem like his pure stuff has deteriorated all that much when looking at velocity & spin rates. The K rate is the lowest it’s been in years, but it’s always been very volatile and he’s be able to succeed when it’s down. From what I can tell, his sweeper & curveball are getting harder this year but without a material change in movement…I expect that to change with time.

Hard to predict what his cost will be at this point. With a ~3 win projection and potentially $10M in cost for his final 1/3 of the season, you aren’t looking at any real surplus value. Obviously this a trade deadline deal, so you’re going to pay a premium just for the pure production regardless. However, if the Red Sox force teams to take on that money, it will keep the cost more reasonable. The other factor that could inflate prices is it potentially being a big sellers’ market.

I’m not giving up any of the young guys off the major league roster or any of my top five prospects for a rental the caliber of Gray. I think a package built around Gabe Davis and an infield prospect (Lodise, Shelton, or Mogollon) is what I’d try to offer. Pitching has been our weakness at the major league level, so tough to give up Davis who isn’t too far out. That being said, with Adams and eventually Thorpe & Bush coming back alongside guys like McDougal, Smith, & Sandlin, I think we can afford to give up Davis to help augment the major league team.

Gray is an interesting idea. If they want a veteran who can eat innings, he definitely fits that category. And he’s still productive. I can’t imagine the Sox would pick up that $30 million option next year, but perhaps they could agree on a different contract after the season. Like you said, he shouldn’t cost all that much prospect wise.

17 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Gray is an interesting idea. If they want a veteran who can eat innings, he definitely fits that category. And he’s still productive. I can’t imagine the Sox would pick up that $30 million option next year, but perhaps they could agree on a different contract after the season. Like you said, he shouldn’t cost all that much prospect wise.

I believe Gray’s option is mutual and the $10M cost I mentioned includes taking on a $5M buyout. But given our payroll situation, I feel like we should be able to absorb some money to lessen the prospect cost in a trade.

I really don't want to move Gabe Davis given the volatility of the pitching. I also want to see what happens with Hagen Smith, Shane Smith and maybe Thorpe first.

I also wouldn't move Gonzalez because we need to see whether they are willing to pay Murakami or whether he is even willing to discuss an extension. If we end up losing him we're gonna need another lefty mashing 1B.

IMO if Schultz knee holds up and was the reason the performance dipped, I think his return alone will help alot if he looks more like he did in the first few starts.

I would see if the Giants were interested in moving Landen Roupp. Because of the lack of top fastball velo, he won't demand as much as other arms of his caliber. Plus the Giants need bats, and his GB rate would fit nicely in our ballpark in the summer. You also get prime years of control and without any real cost.

Another guy similar in control and probably less cost is J.T Ginn. I wouldnt mind adding that either!

Edited yesterday at 04:44 PM1 day by Look at Ray Ray Run

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2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I would see if the Giants were interested in moving Landen Roupp. Because of the lack of top fastball velo, he won't demand as much as other arms of his caliber. Plus the Giants need bats, and his GB rate would fit nicely in our ballpark in the summer. You also get prime years of control and without any real cost.

Is Roupp really better than anything they have tho? Like you said, the stuff is a little light. The results are meh in the best pitching environment you could hope for. Long term is he even better than Mason Adams, let alone McDougal and the Smiths? If they acquire anyone, I want it to be someone who would start one of the first two games in a playoff series. Detmers has similar results, but the stuff is so much louder, you could imagine him going on a run. I am against Alcantara, but at least when he’s at his best he can dominate. If it’s a 4/5 starter type, I would rather roll the bones with people in the org.

3 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Is Roupp really better than anything they have tho? Like you said, the stuff is a little light. The results are meh in the best pitching environment you could hope for. Long term is he even better than Mason Adams, let alone McDougal and the Smiths? If they acquire anyone, I want it to be someone who would start one of the first two games in a playoff series. Detmers has similar results, but the stuff is so much louder, you could imagine him going on a run. I am against Alcantara, but at least when he’s at his best he can dominate. If it’s a 4/5 starter type, I would rather roll the bones with people in the org.

Yes, Roupp is better than 3/5 of the rotation.

I'm a Detmers guy but he has a career worth of not getting results as expected.

Edited yesterday at 04:52 PM1 day by Look at Ray Ray Run

9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I would see if the Giants were interested in moving Landen Roupp. Because of the lack of top fastball velo, he won't demand as much as other arms of his caliber. Plus the Giants need bats, and his GB rate would fit nicely in our ballpark in the summer. You also get prime years of control and without any real cost.

Another guy similar in control and probably less cost is J.T Ginn. I wouldnt mind adding that either!

I’d say far away from Roupp right now given the Pride Night controversy. Not trying to be political here, but our clubhouse is firing on all cylinders right now and I wouldn’t want to bring anyone with baggage who might disrupt that.

Beni is up to 163 wrc+ in June and 105 wrc+ vs RHP overall.

He makes what 15m a year. By the end of July, there will only be what Maybe 5m left for this year and 15 for next?

If he keeps hitting well, maybe we can get someone to eat a third of the money if we threw in a prospect in the 15-20 range.

22 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’d say far away from Roupp right now given the Pride Night controversy. Not trying to be political here, but our clubhouse is firing on all cylinders right now and I wouldn’t want to bring anyone with baggage who might disrupt that.

Lol hadn't even seen that story yet. Baseball players slant heavily conservative so probably not that disruptive, but agree that a headache is a headache.

3 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

Beni is up to 163 wrc+ in June and 105 wrc+ vs RHP overall.

He makes what 15m a year. By the end of July, there will only be what Maybe 5m left for this year and 15 for next?

If he keeps hitting well, maybe we can get someone to eat a third of the money if we threw in a prospect in the 15-20 range.

Seems like a reason to keep him. Or just cut him and use the prospect to get a pitcher or something.

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

Seems like a reason to keep him. Or just cut him and use the prospect to get a pitcher or something.

They're not gonna cut him and eat all the 22m. The OF and DH spots are getting crowded and there's only so many ways you can keep rearranging the puzzle to make the 26 man thing work while still having an optimal roster without having to do something about Beni. At some point you have to address it. The best we can hope for us that he keeps hitting reasonably well and someone might agree to take on at least some of the money.

Edited yesterday at 06:29 PM1 day by SoCalChiSox

Does Quero still have trade value? And would you trade him when Teel is back?

1 minute ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

Does Quero still have trade value? And would you trade him when Teel is back?

You'd be selling really low on him. I still think he can recover some value with a fresh start next year. He's not this bad.

2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

You'd be selling really low on him. I still think he can recover some value with a fresh start next year. He's not this bad.

Does he have a path to legit AB’s next season to be able to reestablish any value? He’s going to be behind at least Gonzo in the DH pecking order

8 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said:

I really don't want to move Gabe Davis given the volatility of the pitching. I also want to see what happens with Hagen Smith, Shane Smith and maybe Thorpe first.

I also wouldn't move Gonzalez because we need to see whether they are willing to pay Murakami or whether he is even willing to discuss an extension. If we end up losing him we're gonna need another lefty mashing 1B.

IMO if Schultz knee holds up and was the reason the performance dipped, I think his return alone will help alot if he looks more like he did in the first few starts.

You absolutely pay Mune. He’s worth the investment with the eyes he brings in from Asia. Shouldn’t be a question

35 minutes ago, mataipaepae said:

You absolutely pay Mune. He’s worth the investment with the eyes he brings in from Asia. Shouldn’t be a question

Unfortunately, there has long been a difference between "should" and what Jerry actually does.

I can easily see him milk the marketing/merchandising money for the season and then instruct Getz to trade him after the lockout for cheap controllable talent to fill needs instead of spending money.

Just sign Trevor Bauer......🫣

4 hours ago, JoshPR said:

Just sign Trevor Bauer......🫣

I am all for it. You get a guy that will absolutely shove and you also get your entire rotation upgraded… guy is like having another pitching coach on the bench.

There isn’t any reason he should be out of the league - especially since the women set him up and lied.

Dude should have been welcomed back.

1 hour ago, hi8is said:

I am all for it. You get a guy that will absolutely shove and you also get your entire rotation upgraded… guy is like having another pitching coach on the bench.

There isn’t any reason he should be out of the league - especially since the women set him up and lied.

Dude should have been welcomed back.

It goes beyond that. I think the league just doesn’t like him. And I don’t believe that second sentence is true anymore.

Edited 15 hours ago15 hr by Bob Sacamano