2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Daraka was a longtime Kenny Williams guy but he worked on the pro side. Nothing to do with Mike Shirley.

All I know is he was very close to former Sox scout John Tumminia...who I'm pretty sure is related to Chaim Bloom or Cherington through his daughter's marriage.

Talked to him a number of times about his international youth baseball teaching/life skills camps in the Americas and Africa.

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Back to Shirley, this is so fucking White Sox. The organizational rot still runs so deep. They really do need to flush the entire organization when Ishbia takes over.

The chaff has been removed. Next up gets time off.

4 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said:

Back to Shirley, this is so fucking White Sox. The organizational rot still runs so deep. They really do need to flush the entire organization when Ishbia takes over.

I think there's less than a 5% chance that Ishbia doesn't make some big changes, I do think he will get Getz out of here, that Castillo move was absolutely not a move you make when your new boss is watching everything you're doing right now with a magnifying glass

16 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

I think there's less than a 5% chance that Ishbia doesn't make some big changes, I do think he will get Getz out of here, that Castillo move was absolutely not a move you make when your new boss is watching everything you're doing right now with a magnifying glass

Jerry wants to hang on to ownership as long as possible. Ishbia might not be taking over for another 5 years or so.

12 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Jerry wants to hang on to ownership as long as possible. Ishbia might not be taking over for another 5 years or so.

Yeah the change isn’t happen soon at all

17 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Jerry wants to hang on to ownership as long as possible. Ishbia might not be taking over for another 5 years or so.

Or 8-9 lol...

12 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Was that the rumor - that was actually him?

Honestly, it kind of seems like it was Guest. And then that psycho who doxed him was Haber or more likely some related party.

EDIT: Apparently not per James, but nor sure why Harold got so agitated and quit the board over the Jeep digs then

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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Honestly, it kind of seems like it was Guest. And then that psycho who doxed him was Haber or more likely some related party.

https://pr.nba.com/nba-2k-league-jeremy-haber-chief-operating-officer/

that has to be him at LinkedIn

Jeremy H.

NBA Take-Two Media Harvard Business School

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7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Honestly, it kind of seems like it was Guest. And then that psycho who doxed him was Haber or more likely some related party.

EDIT: Apparently not per James, but nor sure why Harold got so agitated and quit the board over the Jeep digs then

8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Honestly, it kind of seems like it was Guest. And then that psycho who doxed him was Haber or more likely some related party.

EDIT: Apparently not per James, but nor sure why Harold got so agitated and quit the board over the Jeep digs then

Sensitive Chrysler/Lee Iaccoca fan...?

who knows

1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Jerry wants to hang on to ownership as long as possible. Ishbia might not be taking over for another 5 years or so.

8. 2034 is the first year it is up to Ishbia, and rumor is Jerry wants the glory of the 33 ASG.

18 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

8. 2034 is the first year it is up to Ishbia, and rumor is Jerry wants the glory of the 33 ASG.

there won't be any "glory" without a new stadium in place by April, 2033

the only alternative would be the ASG at the Field of Dreams that could be tied into White Sox and 1933 ASG history...but hard to avoid 1919/Joe Jackson references, though

can't really play it at Soldier Field without some major modifications

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Or 8-9 lol...

22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

8. 2034 is the first year it is up to Ishbia, and rumor is Jerry wants the glory of the 33 ASG.

Yep, that's what they said on a recent Sox Machine podcast. He also told the Sodfather earlier this year he wants to keep doing this another 10 years. I know he's 90, but he looks like he's 75.....and to be clear, I am NOT rooting for anything bad to happen to him healthwise.

This doesn't necessarily affect Ishbia's stadium plans. They could easily come to an agreement where Jerry pays rent to him for a few years until it's time to hand over ownership.

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

there won't be any "glory" without a new stadium in place by April, 2033

the only alternative would be the ASG at the Field of Dreams that could be tied into White Sox and 1933 ASG history...but hard to avoid 1919/Joe Jackson references, though

can't really play it at Soldier Field without some major modifications

See my reply above, which I typed before reading this post. They could work out an agreement where JR would sign a lease with Ishbia and pay rent to him instead of to ISFA until ownership officially passed to Justin as late as 2034.

3 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Yep, that's what they said on a recent Sox Machine podcast. He also told the Sodfather earlier this year he wants to keep doing this another 10 years. I know he's 90, but he looks like he's 75.....and to be clear, I am NOT rooting for anything bad to happen to him healthwise.

This doesn't necessarily affect Ishbia's stadium plans. They could easily come to an agreement where Jerry pays rent to him for a few years until it's time to hand over ownership.

The King of Real Estate paying rent to PE Ishbia lol?

sounds like one potential solution

Roger Bossard will also be around (working at least part-time) then?

he has to be getting up there in age...

was looking for amateur scouting candidates and found this interesting quote

"Barfield has been a hot name in baseball circles for some time, with one executive recently texting: “He’s the best.” Barfield, 43, played four major-league seasons with the Padres and Guardians and is now the assistant general manager for the Chicago White Sox. He’s drawn consideration for general manager jobs in recent seasons, sources say, and with the White Sox’s ascension, he’ll continue to get looks. He’s a future GM, likely sooner rather than later."

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6 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said:

Back to Shirley, this is so fucking White Sox. The organizational rot still runs so deep. They really do need to flush the entire organization when Ishbia takes over.

I dunno, this seems like the sort of thing that could happen at any organization, sports or otherwise. In fact, if you say enough stuff like this, they make you owner of the cubs. But who among us hasn’t had a boss be completely inappropriate in the workplace? At least they actually fired this guy. Too bad it happened, sorry for the people who had to put up with his nonsense. think the team can do better than Shirley anyway.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2026/09/13/chicago-white-sox-mike-shirley-allegations/

1 hour ago, nrockway said:

I dunno, this seems like the sort of thing that could happen at any organization, sports or otherwise. In fact, if you say enough stuff like this, they make you owner of the cubs. But who among us hasn’t had a boss be completely inappropriate in the workplace? At least they actually fired this guy. Too bad it happened, sorry for the people who had to put up with his nonsense. think the team can do better than Shirley anyway.

Not just every organization, but every company. We've all been exposed to that type of behavior. I was initially concerned if he stepped away due to an internal conflict on the direction of the scouting/team/development. At least this is something that they can easily address, fix, and move on from as an organization.

1 hour ago, nrockway said:

I dunno, this seems like the sort of thing that could happen at any organization, sports or otherwise. In fact, if you say enough stuff like this, they make you owner of the cubs. But who among us hasn’t had a boss be completely inappropriate in the workplace? At least they actually fired this guy. Too bad it happened, sorry for the people who had to put up with his nonsense. think the team can do better than Shirley anyway.

It COULD happen anywhere, yet seems to happen here a lot. It also took twice people complaining from outside of the organization to make it happen.

1 hour ago, nrockway said:

I dunno, this seems like the sort of thing that could happen at any organization, sports or otherwise. In fact, if you say enough stuff like this, they make you owner of the cubs. But who among us hasn’t had a boss be completely inappropriate in the workplace? At least they actually fired this guy. Too bad it happened, sorry for the people who had to put up with his nonsense. think the team can do better than Shirley anyway.

they actually had multiple complaints going back 4 or more years, and they didn't fire him for that, in fact the report is they signed him to a contract extension.

so let's not pat ourselves on the back pretending like the Sox are this shining beacon of purity and don't allow the most rotten s%*# imaginable go on without repercussions until it's absolutely necessary to fire someone because it would tarnish the brand. how soon we forget about Omar Vizquel, Daryl Boston, etc.

5 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

they actually had multiple complaints going back 4 or more years, and they didn't fire him for that, in fact the report is they signed him to a contract extension.

so let's not pat ourselves on the back pretending like the Sox are this shining beacon of purity and don't allow the most rotten s%*# imaginable go on without repercussions until it's absolutely necessary to fire someone because it would tarnish the brand. how soon we forget about Omar Vizquel, Daryl Boston, etc.

You Millennials through Gen Zers are funny. Shirley's a baseball guy in a male-centric industry. Let's not pat ourselves on the back for tsk-tsking so heartily. I'm 63. In pretty much all my jobs before 30, bosses were taking me aside, asking asking me if I was banging the secretary or whatnot. And if I wasn't, somebody oughta be. They wanted lurid war stories. Maybe this is frowned upon today, but it's all over the place still, I'm sure. I worked in corporate mid-30's to age 50, and I never had to worry about saying something stupid because the women were worse than the men with after-hours, drinky-time baudy talk. That's where I learned the f***/marry/kill game.

I'm sure the Sox drew a line in the sand after the first investigation, and kept an eye on it, tolerating any hot-headed BS because he did his job fine, but keep those slurs out of your mouth. As soon as the Area Code games stuff bubbled up, that was a bridge too far. The fact that it happened and he was gone tells me it was a live issue they were ready to move on. Listening to the FutureSox PodCast right now. They'll plug in somebody better than Shirley quick, and only Caulfield will be bringing this up in order to shame the happy dogs in 6 months.

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9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You Millennials through Gen Zers are funny. Shirley's a baseball guy in a male-centric industry. Let's not pat ourselves on the back for tsk-tsking so heartily. I'm 63. In pretty much all my jobs before 30, bosses were taking me aside, asking asking me if I was banging the secretary or whatnot. And if I wasn't, somebody oughta be. They wanted lurid war stories. Maybe this is frowned upon today, but it's all over the place still, I'm sure. I worked in corporate mid-30's to age 50, and I never had to worry about saying something stupid because the women were worse than the men with after-hours, drinky-time baudy talk. That's where I learned the f***/marry/kill game.

I'm sure the Sox drew a line in the sand after the first investigation, and kept an eye on it, tolerating any hot-headed BS because he did his job fine, but keep those slurs out of your mouth. As soon as the Area Code games stuff bubbled up, that was a bridge too far. The fact that it happened and he was gone tells me it was a live issue they were ready to move on. Listening to the FutureSox PodCast right now. They'll plug in somebody better than Shirley quick, and only Caulfield will be bringing this up in order to shame the happy dogs in 6 months.

It's 2026. My beer league hockey teams don't even do that kind of s%*#, and there are no consequences if we do. This guy was a piece of s%*# through and through. Imagine what he says in private, if what he said in public was enough to get him shitcanned.

"That's where I learned the f***/marry/kill game."

Wut???

Last time, you brought up porn out of the blue.

Seriously, I'm almost 57 and I have never looked at women so simplistically, and certainly not in the workplace.

I mean some women also have their "bigger better deal" approach to men too, but if you treat them respectfully...you get that respect back in return. And, no, that doesn't automatically mean being a doormat/getting walked all over.

As far as how you know they will find someone better...we shall see.

Sox aren't exactly known for paying front office guys the most, except Hahn as Asst GM.

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

"That's where I learned the f***/marry/kill game."

Wut???

Last time, you brought up porn out of the blue.

Seriously, I'm almost 57 and I have never looked at women so simplistically, and certainly not in the workplace.

I mean some women also have their "bigger better deal" approach to men too, but if you treat them respectfully...you get that respect back in return. And, no, that doesn't automatically mean being a doormat/getting walked all over.

As far as how you know they will find someone better...we shall see.

Sox aren't exactly known for paying front office guys the most, except Hahn as Asst GM.

Sox will not find anyone better until Reinsdorf is gone, and that's it.

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

"That's where I learned the f***/marry/kill game."

Wut???

Last time, you brought up porn out of the blue.

Seriously, I'm almost 57 and I have never looked at women so simplistically, and certainly not in the workplace.

I mean some women also have their "bigger better deal" approach to men too, but if you treat them respectfully...you get that respect back in return. And, no, that doesn't automatically mean being a doormat/getting walked all over.

As far as how you know they will find someone better...we shall see.

Sox aren't exactly known for paying front office guys the most, except Hahn as Asst GM.

You don't know f***/marry/kill? A bunch of 30-somethings out of Big 10 colleges, move to Chicago. Market Research is an alcoholic industry. Long hours, everybody hits Billy Goat's afterwards. Around 8:00, after 2 hours of drinking, stories start coming out, whatever. We got respect through the long hours and bailing each other's asses out. I started a couple years before internet surveys became a thing in the late 1990s. Ronin and SPSS really hadn't honed their online products, yet. We'd program "Computer Surveys" to launch from an icon off a CD, send them to mall recruiting sites, then they'd send back data on disc. Trying to iron out survey logic issues until the FedEx cutoff at 9:00. Miss that and you have to drive to the airport to make the 10:00 cutoff.

Anyway, everybody's checking everybody else out. Respectfully.