southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 In light of recent changes and occurances that happened here we have been reviewing the way things happen at Soxtalk. First of respect for other posters seems to be at one of the lowest points since I have been on Soxtalk. Personal attacks happen for seemingly less and less of reasons. After much discussion about this as a group, we feel there are no good reasons for personal attacks on the board. We encourage all debate on topics, and we don't want to ever see that change. That is why we give you all so many more freedoms than your typical message board. But all personal attacks do is make Soxtalk a more hostile enviornment than it has to be, and they serve no useful purpose what-so-ever. We also feel that this new policy in no way will take away from your posting experience here, in fact quite the opposite. We think if people get back to the subjects at hand, instead of personal attacks the discussion and quality of the board will be even better. So now from now on we are asking you guys to stick to the debates at hand. We don't want to see people called names or addressed with terms of derrision, of any sort. That goes from calling someone stupid or an idiot, all of the way up to labeling people with unacceptable terms of hate or stereotypes. As always feel free to offer your opinions to this, whether it be here in public, through PM or emails. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I agree. Certain parties seem to enjoy poking certain other parties with sharp sticks and vice-versa. Do those parties even post anything positive or baseball related here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 I agree. Certain parties seem to enjoy poking certain other parties with sharp sticks and vice-versa. Do those parties even post anything positive or baseball related here? I know this isn't what you were saying Knight, but I do want to make one thing clear. We are not ending negative posting. If you feel this team sucks, feel free to say it. But we don't want to see people called names for their opinions anymore. That is what we are ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I actually thought things had gotten a lot better here recently, but I am in favor of this and I will hold up my end of the bargain. Private message is where any clarifications, etc. should take place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POPPY_HIDALGO Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 This is a fantastic new policy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Man there goes all the fun on this board...LoL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Arggh, I'd hate to see WSI-style moderation here. They are really ridiculous over there. If you're offended by what people post about you in an online forum...you should maybe consider getting thicker skin. By the way, I generally turn off avatars and signatures on this site. A lot of them are cool (the blinking OEO Magglio is really sweet), some are annoying after a while, and the political ones are off putting. I wouldn't want my replies to someone about White Sox stuff be affected by my political philosophy. Thankfully, I can't remember who is pro-Kerry/anti-Bush and who is pro-Bush/anti-Kerry, and I'm happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 Arggh, I'd hate to see WSI-style moderation here. They are really ridiculous over there. If you're offended by what people post about you in an online forum...you should maybe consider getting thicker skin. And that was the biggest reason that we have avoided doing anything like this in the past. We do value the freedom here, and we have done everything to protect it. But lately things have kind of forced our hand here. And trust me, we aren't looking to be aggressive moderators. Far from it. I would love to never take an administrative action against another poster again. But with things that have happened here over the last month or so we are trying to ensure that posters experience at Soxtalk is as good as possible. We have had visiting posters attacked, stereotypical insults have been made, people have been harassed, etc. For 99% of posters, this policy will have no change in their posting at all. But it will make posting 100% better for those 99%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Sounds good to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 And that was the biggest reason that we have avoided doing anything like this in the past. We do value the freedom here, and we have done everything to protect it. But lately things have kind of forced our hand here. And trust me, we aren't looking to be aggressive moderators. Far from it. I would love to never take an administrative action against another poster again. But with things that have happened here over the last month or so we are trying to ensure that posters experience at Soxtalk is as good as possible. We have had visiting posters attacked, stereotypical insults have been made, people have been harassed, etc. For 99% of posters, this policy will have no change in their posting at all. But it will make posting 100% better for those 99%. Idiot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 Idiot! You are soooo banned. Either that or pushed in front of a train... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Some clarification: Does this apply just to other posters or to other people in general? What qualifies as an insult? I mean, "you're an idiot" and "this is an idiotic post" are only trivially different. The latter usually clearly implies the former. When does aggression become insult? Seriously...this applies to Cubs fans as well??? :fthecubs I'm worried about the same issues Black Betsy brought up -- it's okay, as long as there's enough self-control, which means some pretty careful cross-checking by all the admins. And enforcement has to be uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 You are soooo banned. Either that or pushed in front of a train... I'm not worried. You're all talk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 Some clarification: Does this apply just to other posters or to other people in general? What qualifies as an insult? I mean, "you're an idiot" and "this is an idiotic post" are only trivially different. The latter usually clearly implies the former. When does aggression become insult? Seriously...this applies to Cubs fans as well??? :fthecubs I'm worried about the same issues Black Betsy brought up -- it's okay, as long as there's enough self-control, which means some pretty careful cross-checking by all the admins. And enforcement has to be uniform. Its not going to be an easy black and white thing. The whole thing we are asking is to stick to the post when critiquing. Technically yes, if you say you are idiot, you have crossed the line of personal insults. But it is not like we are going to be banning people for calling someone an idiot either. We want to see the personal insults stop. My rule of thumb is if you are identifying the person instead of the post, it is personal. And there is no reason to call someone, anything really. Stick to responding to the content of the post and you will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 All I'd like to see is when people make a post, before clicking the post button, ask, am I ripping this person or am I ripping his argument...if its the latter, go for it (assuming your not just saying thats the most assisine thing I've ever heard, but go in depth about it). I think you can sometimes learn more from disagree with someone (if the two debate back and forth) then you can if you both agree (although everyone should agree with me ). Anyway, this isn't a look what you said, your gone. Soxtalk is and always will be built with freedoms of posting, we just don't see where personal attacks should be a part of those freedoms. But everything else, other then racism and what not is fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 f***. Did that work? /me looks Alright!! All is well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I think if you don't like what peeps are saying, do a knightni signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Obviously noone wants to see rules like this implemented, but sometimes it just has to be done. Here is to good posting in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I understand the policy, let's just not go too far down Ban Boulevard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 In light of recent changes and occurances that happened here we have been reviewing the way things happen at Soxtalk. First of respect for other posters seems to be at one of the lowest points since I have been on Soxtalk. Personal attacks happen for seemingly less and less of reasons. After much discussion about this as a group, we feel there are no good reasons for personal attacks on the board. We encourage all debate on topics, and we don't want to ever see that change. That is why we give you all so many more freedoms than your typical message board. But all personal attacks do is make Soxtalk a more hostile enviornment than it has to be, and they serve no useful purpose what-so-ever. We also feel that this new policy in no way will take away from your posting experience here, in fact quite the opposite. We think if people get back to the subjects at hand, instead of personal attacks the discussion and quality of the board will be even better. So now from now on we are asking you guys to stick to the debates at hand. We don't want to see people called names or addressed with terms of derrision, of any sort. That goes from calling someone stupid or an idiot, all of the way up to labeling people with unacceptable terms of hate or stereotypes. As always feel free to offer your opinions to this, whether it be here in public, through PM or emails. Thanks Aww, i hate you, you prick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 I understand the policy, let's just not go too far down Ban Boulevard. Read back through some of the comments. We aren't looking to start a big power trip, but we have had racial name-calling and sexual harassment issues happen in the recent weeks. These are the type of things we are trying to cure. Also the 10 page threads that consist of two people calling each other every name in the book, while the topic they were debating was long forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I agree that if you wouldn't be willing to say whatever it is you are trying to say to that person's face, you should not type it. In essence, what you guys are proposing to do is cut down on the population of pussies around here, and I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Read back through some of the comments. We aren't looking to start a big power trip, but we have had racial name-calling and sexual harassment issues happen in the recent weeks. These are the type of things we are trying to cure. Also the 10 page threads that consist of two people calling each other every name in the book, while the topic they were debating was long forgotten. I did read the thread, and I understand totally what the intent of this policy is. All I'm saying is that I hope it stays with this point, since every bad road begins with one step. I trust everyone "in power" here, but I felt that I needed to state my small fear, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 I did read the thread, and I understand totally what the intent of this policy is. All I'm saying is that I hope it stays with this point, since every bad road begins with one step. I trust everyone "in power" here, but I felt that I needed to state my small fear, at least. No problem. And to be quite honest, if you guys ever feel that it is getting to that point say something. You guys are our check and balance. As always tell us if you see something wrong. Thanks Critic now go chase those kids off of your lawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I think it protects vulnerable posters with the name calling or people being made fun of. This is a good idea. Post Etiquette. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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