October 11, 200817 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 06:51 PM) He's got limited power and only decent OBP. He has a spot on the team, and I'm not saying he wouldn't be valuable, just that, statistically, he would be a liability. He seems to fit the Eckstein/Miles mold pretty well. I just thought you were comparing him to Cintron. Cintron's OBP was only 30 points higher than his avg. Getz has avg'd 70 pts more than his batting avg. Getz had some pop this yr. But that's not what is needed from him.
October 11, 200817 yr QUOTE (beck72 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 02:03 PM) I just thought you were comparing him to Cintron. Cintron's OBP was only 30 points higher than his avg. Getz has avg'd 70 pts more than his batting avg. Getz had some pop this yr. But that's not what is needed from him. If he hit .260 he'd probably be a worse player than Cintron. That's all. I do not feel he has the capability of being a full-time starter at this point. I'd like to see him on the bench and as an emergency/fill-in starter. Depending on anything more than that is scary.
October 11, 200817 yr QUOTE (beck72 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 12:41 PM) How so? Getz' M.O. is supposedly making contact, walking as much as striking out, being able to situational hit, having on OBP about 60 points higher than avg, with some ability to steal bases, and decent defense. Getz may not hit .280 right away. But a comparison to Cintron?! Not likely. Agreed. NOT a statistical liability in the 2 or 9 hole, depending on his performance. He COULD be the ideal 2 hitter we haven't had since the early days of Tadahito. Kind of a lefty Theriot. We'll see. Regardless, I think KW knows better than anyone that 2B is traditionally the easiest position to fill. Heck, our last two came neither from trade, nor the farm system, nor from conventional FA, but from Japan and Cuba. I'm thinking his highest priorities are 3B, CF, an upgrade over Javy in the rotation, and one more good bullpen arm. In no particular order, and completely dependent on his gut feelings about the potential contributions of guys like Wise, Fields, Owens, BA, Richard, Broadway, Russell etc. Maybe Contreras or Poreda fills one of the pitching priorities by mid-season, but KW probably won't count on it. I see either Konerko or Dye + Fields, other prospects, in a trade. It will be tough to say goodbye to either, given their huge contributions to the team's success. I'll bet KW'd love to have Uribe back as the backup for the infield, but he probably agrees with most of us, and doesn't want him as a starter. He's going to have to wait to see what the market offers JU. On more thing - people need to stop talking about Buehrle and Jenks like they're greybeards or something. They're still part of our (relatively) youthful core at (barely) 30 and 28 entering next season. Sure, Buehrle's logged a lot of innings in his career, but he's not going to lose the intangibles that make him a winner anytime soon. Among these are: He's smart, He's a fast worker, which helps to keep the defense on their toes He doesn't overthink an at bat, but he has a plan for every batter He leads the universe in double-play grounders He's an excellent fielder He's excellent at holding runners, easily our best His ability to pickoff runners is virtually nonpareil He's a very positive influence on youngsters like Danks and Richard, and soon Poreda He keeps himself in shape and is consistently healthy He doesn't rely on power, so age should be less of a factor HE'S GOT BALLS! MB's going to win his 250th game when he's 38 or so, hopefully in a Sox uni. Big Bad Bobby is very, very good, looking at the meaningful statistics in his young career. Seeing the way he was bringin' it in game 3 last week, I have very few doubts about him.
October 11, 200817 yr QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 09:33 PM) Agreed. NOT a statistical liability in the 2 or 9 hole, depending on his performance. He COULD be the ideal 2 hitter we haven't had since the early days of Tadahito. Kind of a lefty Theriot. We'll see. Regardless, I think KW knows better than anyone that 2B is traditionally the easiest position to fill. Heck, our last two came neither from trade, nor the farm system, nor from conventional FA, but from Japan and Cuba. I'm thinking his highest priorities are 3B, CF, an upgrade over Javy in the rotation, and one more good bullpen arm. In no particular order, and completely dependent on his gut feelings about the potential contributions of guys like Wise, Fields, Owens, BA, Richard, Broadway, Russell etc. Maybe Contreras or Poreda fills one of the pitching priorities by mid-season, but KW probably won't count on it. I see either Konerko or Dye + Fields, other prospects, in a trade. It will be tough to say goodbye to either, given their huge contributions to the team's success. I'll bet KW'd love to have Uribe back as the backup for the infield, but he probably agrees with most of us, and doesn't want him as a starter. He's going to have to wait to see what the market offers JU. On more thing - people need to stop talking about Buehrle and Jenks like they're greybeards or something. They're still part of our (relatively) youthful core at (barely) 30 and 28 entering next season. Sure, Buehrle's logged a lot of innings in his career, but he's not going to lose the intangibles that make him a winner anytime soon. Among these are: He's smart, He's a fast worker, which helps to keep the defense on their toes He doesn't overthink an at bat, but he has a plan for every batter He leads the universe in double-play grounders He's an excellent fielder He's excellent at holding runners, easily our best His ability to pickoff runners is virtually nonpareil He's a very positive influence on youngsters like Danks and Richard, and soon Poreda He keeps himself in shape and is consistently healthy He doesn't rely on power, so age should be less of a factor HE'S GOT BALLS! MB's going to win his 250th game when he's 38 or so, hopefully in a Sox uni. Big Bad Bobby is very, very good, looking at the meaningful statistics in his young career. Seeing the way he was bringin' it in game 3 last week, I have very few doubts about him. Welcome aboard. Can't find much to disagree with at all
October 12, 200817 yr How about we go after Koji Uehara instead of Freddy Garcia? Seems like a better option.
October 13, 200817 yr http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-0...0,3109300.story The Marlins, who have 17 players eligible for salary arbitration, have signed only two to multiyear contracts since getting Carlos Delgado as a free agent almost four years ago: Hanley Ramirez and Wes Helms, who agreed to a two-year contract rather than become a free agent. Helms hit .317 with two homers as a pinch-hitter this season. … General managers with shopping lists already are making calls to the Marlins and Royals (14 arbitration-eligible players) about possible trades. San Francisco, desperate for a proven bat, is expected to pursue one-dimensional second baseman Dan Uggla. The Giants also may kick the tires on first baseman Paul Konerko of the White Sox and Derrek Lee of the Cubs, both of whom have full no-trade clauses. They probably would have to deal a young pitcher—Jonathan Sanchez or Matt Cain. They're considered expendable because lefty Madison Bumgarner is climbing fast. … Well, if Sabean wants to restock his team with more veterans...
October 13, 200817 yr I read that Trib blurb earlier. PK for Cain wouldn't happen. PK straight up for Sanchez could happen. I would imgaine PK + Allen + Ely likely would bring Cain over. We are talking about Saeban here. Edited October 13, 200817 yr by Chet Lemon
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (Frank the Tank 35 @ Oct 12, 2008 -> 09:15 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-0...0,3109300.story Well, if Sabean wants to restock his team with more veterans... Oh please the Giants will NOT trade for Paulie or Derek. I don't think Paulie would even waive his NTC to go there.
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (DaGame2584 @ Oct 12, 2008 -> 10:57 PM) Oh please the Giants will NOT trade for Paulie or Derek. I don't think Paulie would even waive his NTC to go there. You never know if he adds on a couple years to Paulie's deal... Edited October 13, 200817 yr by bigruss22
October 13, 200817 yr you guys think swisher could ever be a .280/.390/.850 40/100 guy in a sox uniform at 1B?
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 04:05 AM) you guys think swisher could ever be a .280/.390/.850 40/100 guy in a sox uniform at 1B? If Swisher hits .280 id imagine his OBP would be above .400. I think he has the skills to have such a season, but I do not think it will happen. Who knows though, avg. ballplayers transform into allstars all the time.
October 13, 200817 yr Do you think the Rays would trade Andy Sonnanstine & Fernando Perez for Dye? Perez could play CF w/ Anderson.
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (DaGame2584 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 10:39 AM) Do you think the Rays would trade Andy Sonnanstine & Fernando Perez for Dye? Perez could play CF w/ Anderson. Perez isn't going anywhere. In fact I could see the Rays trading Crawford to make room for Perez for the cost savings.
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 11:40 AM) Perez isn't going anywhere. In fact I could see the Rays trading Crawford to make room for Perez for the cost savings. why would the Rays trade Crawford? If they cant afford to pay him 8.5 million dollars after making the playoffs then there is something wrong there. Everyone knows that i've wanted Crawford since 2006, but i finally came to a realization that he isn't coming here.
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 11:46 AM) why would the Rays trade Crawford? If they cant afford to pay him 8.5 million dollars after making the playoffs then there is something wrong there. Everyone knows that i've wanted Crawford since 2006, but i finally came to a realization that he isn't coming here. Their payroll is about to explode. Even with the jump in attendence, I am not convinced that they will be willing to swallow all of it.
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 11:06 AM) Their payroll is about to explode. Even with the jump in attendence, I am not convinced that they will be willing to swallow all of it. other than Crawford, who is all due for big time raises?
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 12:40 PM) other than Crawford, who is all due for big time raises? Look at the stages of the careers some of those guys are at, some are moving quickly into arb years, such as Scott Kazmir for one. Winning always seems to mean people start looking for big contracts.
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 12:07 PM) Look at the stages of the careers some of those guys are at, some are moving quickly into arb years, such as Scott Kazmir for one. Winning always seems to mean people start looking for big contracts. ??? 09:$6M, 10:$8M, 11:$12M, 12:$13.5M club option ($2.5M buyout)
October 13, 200817 yr and i for one would think they would be willing to deal perez because they've got Jennings and Royster, Ruggiano and Pedroza down on the farm.
October 13, 200817 yr QUOTE (beautox @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 04:19 PM) and i for one would think they would be willing to deal perez because they've got Jennings and Royster, Ruggiano and Pedroza down on the farm. We don't have enough to pull that off anyway. Plus Kenny usually gets guys down in the minors that teams have given up on like carlos quentin. I'm still sticking to this easy prediction that we will get a guy that noone on this board has even mentioned.
October 14, 200817 yr Just so I can have a reference to look back on as far as my off-season wishlist: - Fire Greg Walker - Trade Javy - Trade Paulie - Trade for Brian Roberts - Sign Casey Blake - Sign some under the radar Bullpen guy who could be good....
October 15, 200817 yr Alright, this obviously won't happen, but what about a Poreda, Fields, and Javy for Peavy and Kouzmanoff. Logic is the Pads get two young cheap talented major league (or at least close) players, and replace Peavy for at least a year with a guy that will replace his innings and K's, if nothing else, while still shedding payroll. Sox still have a problem with the 5th starter, but no question upgrade the team, and still do so long term. Probably would have to add another body in that mix to make them even think about it.
October 15, 200817 yr The thought is nice, but the Twins got 4 players for Santana, and he was in a walk year. Peavy is in the same boat, though his year end ERA was helped something crazy by pitching in Petco (1.74 ERA at home, 4.28 on the road), but he's also in the middle of a very easily manageable deal. He's worth 3 good prospects, and he's someone the Sox probably have no hope of getting.
October 15, 200817 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 08:14 PM) The thought is nice, but the Twins got 4 players for Santana, and he was in a walk year. Peavy is in the same boat, though his year end ERA was helped something crazy by pitching in Petco (1.74 ERA at home, 4.28 on the road), but he's also in the middle of a very easily manageable deal. He's worth 3 good prospects, and he's someone the Sox probably have no hope of getting. Peavy just signed a 4 year deal last year, didn't he?
October 15, 200817 yr QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 03:16 AM) Peavy just signed a 4 year deal last year, didn't he? Ya, 4 year 52 mil
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