nitetrain8601 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 The Brewers have offered CC Sabathia five years at $20 million annually, but his market is still developing. A.J. Burnett will be the consolation prize, with several teams, including the Yankees, interested. The White Sox are always wheeling, dealing, and "suggesting" and have talked to the Mets about closer Bobby Jenks. http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...--+Red+Sox+news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 02:11 PM) http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...--+Red+Sox+news I believe that they have a stud CF in their organization who is 19 or 20 and played very well in AA last season. He would have to be the centerpiece of any deal involving Jenks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) You don't trade Jenks for a package of prospects. The rumors from other sites is that it would be Vazquez and Jenks for Beltran. However, this seems like the longest of longshots. Edited November 7, 2008 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 10:14 PM) You don't trade Jenks for a package of prospects. Correct. We better be getting some quality major players in return if we were to think about dealing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 10:22 PM) BTW, Bruce was The Show last night, and said Williams and Omar were talking at length numerous times at the meetings, FWIW. I could easily see a realistic trade of Javy and someone like Anderson for Murphy and Heilman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 04:28 PM) Absolutely. The Mets right now look to be the best fit for the White Sox, on a few different fronts. Hell, even Dye could make some sense, with Church moving over to LF. I may be wrong, but wasn't Church originally a LF with the Nationals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I believe trading Jenks away will come back to bite us in the ass. We nearly missed the playoffs due to our bullpen, regardless of our other deficiencies. Why weaken our weakest area? I personally don't believe Thornton and his reluctance to use his offspeed and affinity for letting inherited runners cross the plate is a good enough option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranktheTank35 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I really, really don't want to trade Jenks. I just don't believe some people think closers are a dime a dozen. I say keep him til the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCQ Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 If we could trade jenks for some a legit mlb ready prospect or a package built around one we should jump on it like uribe on a sizzler buffet. The save is the most overrated stat in baseball. Im not saying that it is easy to find a closer but i feel it would be easier to find a closer than to draft talent that we could receive in that kind of a deal. Maybe we could give poreda a shot at closing out of the gate. Papelbon was supposed to be a starter, and he came into the bullpen almost right away and did great. It could work, thornton could give it a shot, or dotel was a closer at one point. I think it would be stupid to just say no automatically about trading jenks for some kind of mlb prospect or a package that would make us faster younger and better all around for many years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Closers are not a dime a dozen. Its a special pitching skill in itself. But, Jenks does scream TRADE HIGH, given his history and where he is right now. There are some intriguing possibilities for other closers for the Sox... Thornton at the major league level, and Poreda and Texeira in the minors. That's three solid talents that may make good closers, a la Jenks jumping from AA in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 05:02 PM) I believe trading Jenks away will come back to bite us in the ass. We nearly missed the playoffs due to our bullpen, regardless of our other deficiencies. Why weaken our weakest area? I personally don't believe Thornton and his reluctance to use his offspeed and affinity for letting inherited runners cross the plate is a good enough option. Exactly how I feel. I don't care if Jenks' strikeout numbers are way down, he's pitching to contact now. If we had a stud who could take his spot and we wouldn't feel the loss then it wouldn't be a bad idea... but we don't so we shouldn't trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) Somebody needs to help me understand how a team gets better by trading its best relief pitcher... one of the best relief pitchers in baseball the last 3 years. In the periods where our bullpen turned to crap the last few years, he was consistently the only guy who could get people out. And he's young and still cheap. So... why is this even remotely a good idea? I'm skeptical, but open-minded and willing to be persuaded by a good argument. Edited November 7, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 If the Sox traded Jenks, I wonder if they would make a run at K-Rod or Fuentes possibly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 11:52 PM) If the Sox traded Jenks, I wonder if they would make a run at K-Rod or Fuentes possibly? Not a chance. They'd give Thornton a chance at closing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranktheTank35 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 06:49 PM) Somebody needs to help me understand how a team gets better by trading its best relief pitcher... one of the best relief pitchers in baseball the last 3 years. In the periods where our bullpen turned to crap the last few years, he was consistently the only guy who could get people out. And he's young and still cheap. So... why is this even remotely a good idea? I'm skeptical, but open-minded and willing to be persuaded by a good argument. I completely agree. If there is some kind of "blow me away deal" then I'm all for it, but it has to be THAT good, because I just don't see trading a top-notch closer when we all know how horrible it was to have people like Billy Koch closing for us.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) Somebody needs to help me understand how a team gets better by trading its best relief pitcher... one of the best relief pitchers in baseball the last 3 years. In the periods where our bullpen turned to crap the last few years, he was consistently the only guy who could get people out. And he's young and still cheap. So... why is this even remotely a good idea? I'm skeptical, but open-minded and willing to be persuaded by a good argument. I'll try to throw out a few reasons... 1. He's probably at his peak of value, for many of the reasons you mentioned, so trading now could get the highest return. 2. He's had a history of injuries, which makes him a ticking time bomb of sorts. 3. His decrease in velocity was originally due to a decision on doing so, but as time goes on and it still goes down, you have to wonder if that's a bad indicator. 4. The Sox do have some talented young arms and possible closers worth considering. 5. The Sox have a few specific needs, and Jenks may be one of the best ways to address them, value-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 If Jenks was on a different team and you looked at his decline in K/IP, you'd say you were skeptical he could keep it up for the next 3 seasons or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCQ Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 05:52 PM) If the Sox traded Jenks, I wonder if they would make a run at K-Rod or Fuentes possibly? Good point but i think krod would be too expensive and really wasnt that good last year. Fuentes could be a possibility but i cant see the sox winning the bidding war there will be for him. How about taking a chance on a guy like chad cordero though. Hes one year removed from a 37 save season and would be great buy low guy if his arm is ok. Im exactly sure if it is though so if anyone has any info on him plz share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantl916 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 (edited) I've made this suggestion a few times in the "dont trade Vazquez" thread, but i thought if we were to trade Javy that the Mets would be the team to trade with and Daniel Murphy and Heilman would be a good return for him. You could plug Murphy into 2b and 2nd in the lineup, and having Heilman as a mid inning reliever would allow you to explore trading Jenks or Dotel. if you made the Javy, BA, cash for Murphy and Heilman trade, you would have to consider what Bobby might be able to bring you... i could see a scenario where we made that Javy trade to the Mets, sent Bobby and Broadway to Tampa for Sonnanstine (best case) or Edwin Jackson (more probable case) and Wade Davis, and rolled with Thornton as our closer. These two trades would add Murphy to the offense while subtracting only BA, and we could feasably roll with a staff of Buerhle, Floyd, Danks, Sonnanstine, and Richard/Free agent with Wade Davis waiting in the wings. our bullpen would be fine with Linebrink, Dotel, Heilman, Russell, and Thornton, with other minor league guys helping out. just a thought Edited November 8, 2008 by Fantl916 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Bobby Jenks is about to hit arb and become very expensive. He has a screw in his arm and his strikeouts have been declining, which doesn't bode well for long-term success. Trading him at peak value makes a good deal of sense. I'm not saying we should trade him, but if the Mets or somebody offer a huge package, you take it. If we could get Beltran for Javy+Bobby (dreaming here), I'd be elated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 QUOTE (Fantl916 @ Nov 8, 2008 -> 12:02 AM) i could see a scenario where we made that Javy trade to the Mets, sent Bobby and Broadway to Tampa for Sonnanstine and Wade Davis, and rolled with Thornton as our closer. Sonnanstine is awful...he'd get destroyed pitching at the Cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 03:49 PM) Somebody needs to help me understand how a team gets better by trading its best relief pitcher... one of the best relief pitchers in baseball the last 3 years. In the periods where our bullpen turned to crap the last few years, he was consistently the only guy who could get people out. And he's young and still cheap. So... why is this even remotely a good idea? I'm skeptical, but open-minded and willing to be persuaded by a good argument. Yes he's young and cheap and talented. Precisely why he might be traded. The Sox need some every day players , they need youth, they need defense, they need speed, they need... well a lot when your roster is turning into a bunch of old, injury plagued DH's. The Sox might figure with a screw in his elbow and getting 3.5 good years out of him while he was cheap they got just about all Jenks has to give before his salary jumps into the stratosphere and/or his arm explodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 If we trade Jenks, Chad Cordero could be a cheap option. Just a thought, I know he has really struggled but he has proven he can close games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCQ Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 QUOTE (ChWRoCk2 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 06:13 PM) If we trade Jenks, Chad Cordero could be a cheap option. Just a thought, I know he has really struggled but he has proven he can close games. Dude weak... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 07:02 PM) Bobby Jenks is about to hit arb and become very expensive. He has a screw in his arm and his strikeouts have been declining, which doesn't bode well for long-term success. Trading him at peak value makes a good deal of sense. I'm not saying we should trade him, but if the Mets or somebody offer a huge package, you take it. If we could get Beltran for Javy+Bobby (dreaming here), I'd be elated. Beltran has a full NTC and his agent is Boras. I wouldn't doubt the Sox would need to extend his deal to waive his NTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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