BigSqwert Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 11:30 AM) Batting him behind Konerko is just so idiotic as well, as you're basically begging for Kotsay to hit into a double play. Kotsay needs to be out of baseball, as he can't pull the ball without rolling over on it and when he hits it the other way, he doesn't have the power/ability to hit it into the gap, off the fence, etc. For the love of God why don't they just DH Viceido? EDIT: And Carlos Edited July 22, 2010 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 04:31 PM) For the love of God why don't they just DH Viceido? EDIT: And Carlos I honestly have no idea...the DH by committee decision seems to get worse and worse each day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 The other thing that was lost in the midst of Bobby Jenks' meltdown: Gavin Floyd lowered his ERA to 3.87 and is now has the 6th best WAR among all AL pitchers due to a 3.19 FIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I know a lot of people consider Danks our ace but I think Gavin is our best pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 11:45 AM) I know a lot of people consider Danks our ace but I think Gavin is our best pitcher. The disparity between his FIP and ERA are still pretty high, I think we'll continue to see him pitch this well for a while. It's just sad that he gets absolutely no run support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 For the love of God why don't they just DH Viceido? Seems like Sox are back to having Viciedo play hardly at all. Omar has been sensational, so it would be nice to simply see Viciedo become DH. I'd go with CQ in right and Dayan at DH since Oz isn't going to stop playing Omar at third. That isn't going to happen, however. Oz loves Omar, Kotsay and Jones so what we've seen figures to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Looks like the Tigers will gain a half game today. The Twins most likely will also. Damn that Bobby left a sour taste especially with an off day to dwell on it. Ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 02:37 PM) Looks like the Tigers will gain a half game today. The Twins most likely will also. Damn that Bobby left a sour taste especially with an off day to dwell on it. Ugh Yes, I agree. I was quite pissed off that I stayed up to watch that. Makes me even angrier about the blown save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 We'd be 4 games up on the Tigers had Bobby Jenks remembered how to pitch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 11:45 AM) I know a lot of people consider Danks our ace but I think Gavin is our best pitcher. I seem to struggle with this every week. Then I remember we have both of them. So I say f*** it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) We'd be 4 games up on the Tigers had Bobby Jenks remembered how to pitch... He knows how to pitch...just not well. He forgot that he was supposed to get outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) We'd be 4 games up on the Tigers had Bobby Jenks remembered how to pitch... With the way the Tigers have been blowing games in the last week, that is hardly a fair comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:16 PM) With the way the Tigers have been blowing games in the last week, that is hardly a fair comparison. So because the Tigers have played like crap, the White Sox should be blowing games too? I'm not getting what you're trying to say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) We'd be 4 games up on the Tigers had Bobby Jenks remembered how to pitch... Gee it might have helped had the mighty bats scored a couple runs. Two hits in nine innings isn't much. Edited July 22, 2010 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:18 PM) So because the Tigers have played like crap, the White Sox should be blowing games too? I'm not getting what you're trying to say here. If you want to get into the hypothetical thing of "If only," it would be just as easy to say "If only the Tigers hadn't have gotten swept by the Indians"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:21 PM) Gee it might have helped had the mighty bats scored a couple runs. They scored 6 runs in the Twins game Jenks blew. You can't really blame the offense for that game, that was all Bobby Jenks. And yesterday, they played against one of the best pitchers in baseball. You can blame the offense all you want, but the fact is that they scored runs and put the Sox in a position to win. Jenks then promptly blew the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:24 PM) If you want to get into the hypothetical thing of "If only," it would be just as easy to say "If only the Tigers hadn't have gotten swept by the Indians"... The Tigers didn't blow two saves in the past week in winnable games. What they do is their business, you have to take care of your own. And Jenks hasn't helped our cause in that department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:26 PM) The Tigers didn't blow two saves in the past week in winnable games. What they do is their business, you have to take care of your own. And Jenks hasn't helped our cause in that department. That is a lame excuse to complain about things. If the Tigers had taken care of their business we wouldn't even be in first place. You can complain about Jenks all you want, but you are wasting your time engaging in the fantasy "what if"'s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) Baseball is not a one-man game. The offense got two hits off a good pitcher. Then the Sox scored a run and a Seattle player executed a helluva bunt hit. After that Jenks got beat. I still say it's not a one-man game. The Sox bats sucked, Bobby sucked. We still won two of three which ain't bad. Edited July 22, 2010 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) That is a lame excuse to complain about things. If the Tigers had taken care of their business we wouldn't even be in first place. You can complain about Jenks all you want, but you are wasting your time engaging in the fantasy "what if"'s. Not to mention the Tigers lost two extra innings games, so there you go about the bullpens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:30 PM) Baseball is not a one-man game. The offense got two hits off a good pitcher. Then the Sox scored a run and a Seattle player executed a helluva bunt hit. After that Jenks got beat. I still say it's not a one-man game. The Sox bats sucked, Bobby sucked. We still won two of three which ain't bad. Instead of a pick to click are we going to start after every game picking "Goat of the Loss?" We should. You need to stop. We already had to close one thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:30 PM) Baseball is not a one-man game. The offense got two hits off a good pitcher. Then the Sox scored a run and a Seattle player executed a helluva bunt hit. After that Jenks got beat. I still say it's not a one-man game. The Sox bats sucked, Bobby sucked. We still won two of three which ain't bad. Instead of a pick to click are we going to start after every game picking "Goat of the Loss?" We should. Jenks' WPA yesterday: -.82 Jenks' WPA on Sunday: -.625 He sure made it a one man game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) That is a lame excuse to complain about things. If the Tigers had taken care of their business we wouldn't even be in first place. You can complain about Jenks all you want, but you are wasting your time engaging in the fantasy "what if"'s. Is it not fair to say that Jenks has been a reason this team is 52-42 right now instead of 54-40? So if that's the case, this team should be two games better right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 You need to stop. We already had to close one thread. What was the part to stop, the goat of the game? The rest of the post was OK? I'm responding to somebody talking about Jenks ... again. There are other reasons we lost the game. Baseball is not a one-man game which I pointed out. I'll go back and edit out the goat part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Is it not fair to say that Jenks has been a reason this team is 52-42 right now instead of 54-40? I don't think it's fair to say one person ever costs a team a game. I can see your point where the closer is the final person to blow it, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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