whitesoxbrian Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 10:22 AM) Gregor at the Herald posted an article suggesting that the Sox could acquire Teheran or Arodys for Quentin. Pretty hilarious. Sox beat writers are such a clueless bunch. Teheran or Arodys might be impossible, but would Delgado? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Sox Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 01:28 AM) No? Well, again, going off preseason scouting reports he wasn't exactly highly thought of in terms of his "stuff" This is BP's scouting report, ranked as the Braves 10th overall prospect (3-stars) 10. Brandon Beachy, RHP DOB: 9/3/86 Height/Weight: 6-3/215 Bats/Throws: R/R Drafted/Signed: 2009, Undrafted free agent, Indiana Wesleyan University 2010 Stats: 1.47 ERA (73.2-53-22-100) at Double-A (27 G); 2.17 ERA (452.-40-6-48) at Triple-A (8 G); 3.00 ERA (15.0-9-3-15) at MLB (3 G) Best/Worst Tool: Command/curveball Year in Review: Unsigned out of college, where he was primarily a position player, Beachy started the year at Triple-A, but then more than held his own as an emergency starter in the bigs come September. The Good: Beachy is a battler who pounds the strike zone with three average to slightly above-average offerings. His fastball sits at 89-92 mph, and he can touch 94 with it when he rears back for something extra. His average-to-plus changeup is his best secondary offering, and he gets solid spin on his curveball. He mixes his pitches well and uses all four quadrants of the strike zone. His makeup is special, as he went from the instructional league to the majors without missing a beat or showing any signs of nervousness at any point along the way. The Bad: Beachy doesn't have that one go-to pitch needed to be an upper-echelon starter. He's an is-what-he-is talent who offers little in the way of projection. Ephemera: Beachy walked three batters of the seven batters he faced in his first appearance of the 2010 season, but did not exceed two free passes in any one game for the remainder of the minor-league season. Perfect World Projection: As easy as it is to like him, it's hard to see Beachy becoming more than a back-end rotation regular. Fantasy Impact: Limited. Path to the Big Leagues: Beachy will battle with Mike Minor for the fifth starter's slot this spring, but even if he loses out, he could move to the bullpen/swing role filled by Kris Medlen last year (before breaking down). ETA: 2011 Again, things can always change. Adjustments, new pitches, refinement of stuff, etc. I just wanted to know if anybody has actually seen him this season, and what they thought. But before this season, he had #4 upside according to most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Quentin--while he can be an MVP quality player at times--isn't getting any cheaper or younger, has injury concerns, and is extremely streaky. With that being said, I think you have to accept any trade offer involving good young talent for Quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 06:37 PM) Quentin--while he can be an MVP quality player at times--isn't getting any cheaper or younger, has injury concerns, and is extremely streaky. With that being said, I think you have to accept any trade offer involving good young talent for Quentin. Agreed. You can't trade our crap unless we want somebody else's crap in return. Quentin is putting up good power numbers although he remains as streaky as ever. The White Sox haven't been able to get him to sign a long-term deal, and Viceido is ready to play in the majors. With the Sox probably strained from a payroll perspective, if the White Sox are able to get a younger player(s) in return for Quentin, it's something Williams really has to look at. This is also true of Edwin Jackson, but that one is a little more complicated in that Peavy has to show he's healthy still at the end of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 07:58 PM) Rios value just needs to be put in the proper context. The White Sox acquired him for 0 talent, that meant he was clearly high risk. Until he proves otherwise, you arent going to get more than 0 for him. I think the Sox would do a dance if they got 0 for him (and his salary). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Maybe a multi player trade involving Quentin and Danks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 02:22 AM) Maybe a multi player trade involving Quentin and Danks? I think if you are gonna move Quentin for a pitcher that you need to have a secondary move that sends pitching to either the Yankees or Astros for Gardner or Bourn. Quentin for Beachy would be pretty one-sided for the Braves though, the Sox give up an All-Star caliber OF for a guy who projects as career back of the rotation guy, so there would need to be more pieces than that from a Sox perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:01 PM) I think if you are gonna move Quentin for a pitcher that you need to have a secondary move that sends pitching to either the Yankees or Astros for Gardner or Bourn. Quentin for Beachy would be pretty one-sided for the Braves though, the Sox give up an All-Star caliber OF for a guy who projects as career back of the rotation guy, so there would need to be more pieces than that from a Sox perspective. Well, one thing that also needs to be accounted for is salary. Quentin is making what - 8MM and is in line for more next year - where as Beachy is under team control for another 6 years. Some people would say that Q for Beachy is too strong a trade from the Sox perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 06:01 PM) I think if you are gonna move Quentin for a pitcher that you need to have a secondary move that sends pitching to either the Yankees or Astros for Gardner or Bourn. How about Jackson and Rios to the Yankees for Gardner? They have to take Rios and his entire salary though or no deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:01 PM) How about Jackson and Rios to the Yankees for Gardner? They have to take Rios and his entire salary though or no deal. I just stabbed myself in my right butt cheek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:05 PM) I just stabbed myself in my right butt cheek. Actually, I'd give Jackson away to the first GM that would take on Rios and his entire salary with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 08:21 PM) Actually, I'd give Jackson away to the first GM that would take on Rios and his entire salary with him. I think we all would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 06:37 PM) Well, one thing that also needs to be accounted for is salary. Quentin is making what - 8MM and is in line for more next year - where as Beachy is under team control for another 6 years. Some people would say that Q for Beachy is too strong a trade from the Sox perspective. $5 million....you'd have to guess $7.25-8.0 million next season in arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 06:01 PM) I think if you are gonna move Quentin for a pitcher that you need to have a secondary move that sends pitching to either the Yankees or Astros for Gardner or Bourn. Quentin for Bourne: yikes! Doesn't help us in any way. You do this trade to get the pitching set for next year; with good pitching, we'll at least be decent. Quentin for Beachy is a tad light for the Sox, but not that light and compared to recent trades, damn strong. Edited July 12, 2011 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 How about Jackson and Rios to the Yankees for Gardner? They have to take Rios and his entire salary though or no deal. Right. Or, how about, Jackson, Rios, Peavy, Sale, Dunn and Beckham for Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 SPECULATION: Teahen to NYY or Atl could be a possibility. Both have a hole at 3B for up to 6 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 04:09 AM) SPECULATION: Teahen to NYY or Atl could be a possibility. Both have a hole at 3B for up to 6 weeks. Atl is going to be mostly using Prado there starting at the end of this week, but that does leave them short on depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 03:43 AM) Right. Or, how about, Jackson, Rios, Peavy, Sale, Dunn and Beckham for Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon ? Add in Danks and they might well do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) Quentin for Bourne: yikes! Doesn't help us in any way. You do this trade to get the pitching set for next year; with good pitching, we'll at least be decent. Quentin for Beachy is a tad light for the Sox, but not that light and compared to recent trades, damn strong. It's only light for the Sox when you don't consider service time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 07:44 AM) Add in Danks and they might well do it. Jordan and John to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 One logical move is to deal Jackson. He's an impended Free Agent and is likely to go elsewhere in the off-season. He is a talented pitcher, but we should have never traded for him in the first place, though that's beside the point. I think he could be moved perhaps as well as a big bat, likely Quentin. Teahen would certainly be someone to move, but who the hell would want him? And finally, Juan Pierre is another guy I'd not be shocked to see traded. All these guys need to be moved so the Sox can retool their minors + reshape the current team. Trouble is, the AL Central is such a crappy division the Sox are "in it", so one little hot streak and they could conceivably be at the top of the division. So in the end, I expect Kenny to do what he has been doing mostly of late...trade a good prospect for some over-rated or over-the-hill guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 08:29 PM) Quentin for Bourne: yikes! Doesn't help us in any way. You do this trade to get the pitching set for next year; with good pitching, we'll at least be decent. Quentin for Beachy is a tad light for the Sox, but not that light and compared to recent trades, damn strong. If you send Quentin to the Braves for Beachy and another SP prospect, you can then turn around and ship two of the 7 seven starting pitchers on the roster to Houston for Bourn and another prospect or to the NYY for Gardner and a prospect. The Yankees may take Pierre back to be a fourth OF and pinch runner the rest of the season. You are not really replacing Quentin with Bourn, you are replacing him with Viciedo and replacing Pierre with Bourn, and that helps us a lot. At the same time you can set your rotation for the rest of the season and next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 According to a source, the Philadelphia Phillies and San Francisco Giants also have inquired about Quentin but were given a “not yet’’ by general manager Ken Williams. Per Cowley. Sun Times' Quentin Trade Rumor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (The Baconator @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:58 AM) Per Cowley. Sun Times' Quentin Trade Rumor Both of those teams make a ton of sense as well. As does KW's reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 02:59 PM) Both of those teams make a ton of sense as well. As does KW's reply. I fear a Quentin for J. Sanchez trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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