southsider2k5 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 01:56 PM) You believe Ozzie didn't make the calls on relievers he put in? Like Jenks? Santos? Thornton? Ohman? You think Coop made those calls on which pitchers to bring in in certain situations? Coop decided to pitch the starters the whole game in the postseason? Give me a break. I'm talking about Cooper making all calls on which pitchers to use and when to demote a closer, etc. Ozzie is a lot smarter than you guys give him credit for as his ring proves. It's all on you right now to show us your credibility. Yes or no. Did Cooper make all the pitching calls for Ozzie? Anxious to see the answer. Ozzie might have learned after some years, but yes, I think it was about 99.44% Cooper when it came to the pitching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 10:13 PM) Ozzie might have learned after some years, but yes, I think it was about 99.44% Cooper when it came to the pitching staff. I think you are totally wrong on this one. Cooper didn't decide when to bring in relief pitchers in games. If you can prove that one you are the smartest baseball mind of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 06:30 PM) I think you are totally wrong on this one. Cooper didn't decide when to bring in relief pitchers in games. If you can prove that one you are the smartest baseball mind of all time. I would be glad i it was all Ozzie because he certainly sucked at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 06:51 PM) I would be glad i it was all Ozzie because he certainly sucked at it. Are you suggesting then if it was Coop, he sucked at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 07:44 PM) Are you suggesting then if it was Coop, he sucked at it? If it was coops fault that ty never had anyone up in the 6th inning for Humber and peavy in June and July, then yeah...hed get some serious blame. That was the most obvious mistake in the pitching staff all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Did anyone see this? Please tell me this was a joke: Konerko Considered for Player/Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 09:08 PM) Did anyone see this? Please tell me this was a joke: Konerko Considered for Player/Manager I thought they would also give consideration to Omar Vizquel as a player/manager as well, but apparently he's too loyal to Ozzie to stick around. It would have been interesting. Like Alomar Jr., he has a lot of the same qualities you look for in a coach/manager. As far as Konerko being able to push the likes of Dunn and Rios, forget it. Might as well name Jim Thome manager just to spite Ozzie...would have been about the same effect. The White Sox's stunning hiring of Robin Ventura to replace Ozzie Guillen as manager Thursday came as a result of board chairman Jerry Reinsdorf instructing his general manager, Kenny Williams, "to think outside the box on this one - no retreads." And how would Alomar Jr. or Dave Martinez been considered retreads? Edited October 10, 2011 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 In a lot of ways, Konerko would have been less surprising than Ventura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) I thought they would also give consideration to Omar Vizquel as a player/manager as well, but apparently he's too loyal to Ozzie to stick around. It would have been interesting. Like Alomar Jr., he has a lot of the same qualities you look for in a coach/manager. As far as Konerko being able to push the likes of Dunn and Rios, forget it. Might as well name Jim Thome manager just to spite Ozzie...would have been about the same effect. The White Sox's stunning hiring of Robin Ventura to replace Ozzie Guillen as manager Thursday came as a result of board chairman Jerry Reinsdorf instructing his general manager, Kenny Williams, "to think outside the box on this one - no retreads." And how would Alomar Jr. or Dave Martinez been considered retreads? Player/Manager would not be a very good idea in any case, but if they were going to go that route with the personnel they currently have I'd have to go with AJ over Konerko, Vizquel, or any other current Sox player. But this whole idea of considering Konerko (or any player/manager) to manage the 2012 Sox is a joke. Edited October 10, 2011 by South Side Fireworks Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I have really warmed up to this hiring. Ventura is an incredible leader and if he's anything like he was as a player, the team will perform well next year. Hopefully he does because this hasn't been an AL team since 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Honestly, Paulie as manager would have been cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 11:22 PM) I have really warmed up to this hiring. Ventura is an incredible leader and if he's anything like he was as a player, the team will perform well next year. Hopefully he does because this hasn't been an AL team since 2006. 2008, when Quentin and Ramirez were big-time threats, they at least resembled an offensive force for most of that season. Edited October 10, 2011 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 06:30 PM) I think you are totally wrong on this one. Cooper didn't decide when to bring in relief pitchers in games. If you can prove that one you are the smartest baseball mind of all time. With a quick search, I can't find it, but I know it has been said in the past that Cooper manages the pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 06:53 AM) Honestly, Paulie as manager would have been cool. But, he has no expereince! Wait, we already did that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Ventura to be introduced at 11 a.m. Tuesday at U.S. Cellular Field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 After reading the Bill Madden article, I think the Ventura hire is Chairman Reinsdorf's idea that Williams went along with to keep his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I just wanted to go on record saying I like this move. I realize and appreciate the anger, and I appreciate the skepticism on this board regarding the hiring of Robin, but I think it's going to work out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 If it's true that one of the options was to make Konerko a player/manager, then that's very disappointing. I'm not quite sure what's going on with JR and Kenny right now, but it seems like a lot of the decision making is being made for the wrong reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 01:10 PM) If it's true that one of the options was to make Konerko a player/manager, then that's very disappointing. I'm not quite sure what's going on with JR and Kenny right now, but it seems like a lot of the decision making is being made for the wrong reasons. Ya, the thought of Konerko being a player/manager just makes me cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) If it's true that one of the options was to make Konerko a player/manager, then that's very disappointing. I'm not quite sure what's going on with JR and Kenny right now, but it seems like a lot of the decision making is being made for the wrong reasons. The report goes that JR told Kenny to make a normal list and an "outside of the box" list. Both Robin and Paul were on the later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I'm totally OK with KW hiring a Yes-man. FO and on-field management being on the same page is way more important than some kind of ego-driven micromanager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) I'm totally OK with KW hiring a Yes-man. FO and on-field management being on the same page is way more important than some kind of ego-driven micromanager. Ventura won't be a "Yes-man" it's not in his personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 07:17 PM) Ya, the thought of Konerko being a player/manager just makes me cringe. I think it would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) I think it would be awesome. If Paulie is in the field, then how does he call for a pitcher to warmup? Or to replace a pitcher? I also think there would be a ton of jealousy/fighting that goes on over Paulie being in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) If Paulie is in the field, then how does he call for a pitcher to warmup? Or to replace a pitcher? I also think there would be a ton of jealousy/fighting that goes on over Paulie being in that position. Yeah it seems like an awful idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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