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Sox Winter Meetings thread

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It would be nice if the Dbacks, Angels, or Giants wanted Konerko and had something to give. I would think he would accept a trade out there.

 

Goldschmidt would look great in a Sox uniform

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QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:35 PM)
he's not acting like a child. He's the better player, and they're asking HIM to move. All I'm saying is I'd be just as pissed.

 

and lets delve into the Tulo thing. I looked it up.

 

OPS+ Tulo: 118 HanRam: 132

WAR Tulo: 23.7 HanRam: 29.3

 

Hmm....

 

Only knock on Tulo is injuries. Outside of raw speed, Hanley really has nothing on him.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 04:38 PM)
Only knock on Tulo is injuries. Outside of raw speed, Hanley really has nothing on him.

you seriously just ignored the numbers there didn't you... wtf??

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:33 PM)
A sportscaster wondered if the Sox would trade PK to the Cubs..

For Castro?

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 04:37 PM)
Goldschmidt would look great in a Sox uniform

 

That guy just has stupid power. I'd like to see him and Stanton in a HR derby.

For Castro?

 

He mentioned a package that includes Brett Jackson and Vitters

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:38 PM)
you seriously just ignored the numbers there didn't you... wtf??

 

I didn't ignore anything. 2007 (Tulo's rookie year) was a wash. Hanley was better in '08. Tulo has clearly been better the last three years.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 04:43 PM)
I didn't ignore anything. 2007 (Tulo's rookie year) was a wash. Hanley was better in '08. Tulo has clearly been better the last three years.

I... I just don't even know how to respond to this logic. "Aside from all the statistics stating otherwise, clearly Tulo is the better player just because I say so" cool.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:38 PM)
you seriously just ignored the numbers there didn't you... wtf??

You're trying to make a case for who's the better player NOW, what happened 4 years ago is basically irrelevant. Going off a basic 3 year window dating back to 2009 your leaders in WAR at the SS position are:

 

18.4 Tulo

13.2 Hanley

12.2 Jeter

11.6 Alexei

 

wOBA:

 

.396 Tulo

.374 Hanley

.355 Reyes

.348 Jeter

 

UZR/150:

 

6.0 Tulo

-7.3 Hanley

 

Better offensively, WAY better defensively. Tulo

I seriously think if it were Ozzie Guillen who came out to be the next sports child molester, Joe Cowley would still defend him and blame Kenny Williams.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:42 PM)
He mentioned a package that includes Brett Jackson and Vitters

I remember when Cub fans where clamoring that Vitters was an elite prospect and going to be better than Beckham. Has any of that happened yet? No, he's taken a step back.

Buehrle signs with Fla

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:50 PM)
Buehrle signs with Fla

4 years $58 million

Sox wouldn't have matched that.

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QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 04:48 PM)
You're trying to make a case for who's the better player NOW, what happened 4 years ago is basically irrelevant. Going off a basic 3 year window dating back to 2009 your leaders in WAR at the SS position are:

 

18.4 Tulo

13.2 Hanley

12.2 Jeter

11.6 Alexei

 

wOBA:

 

.396 Tulo

.374 Hanley

.355 Reyes

.348 Jeter

 

UZR/150:

 

6.0 Tulo

-7.3 Hanley

 

Better offensively, WAY better defensively. Tulo

 

OK i pose it this way, why don't we look at the SAME 3 year window age-wise for each player? So Tulo's last 3 and Hanley's 3 years prior to 2011.

 

And I don't really have a site to do that on... lol, but point being, at the same age, the disparity is definitely not as drastic as you're making it out to be.

So Mark decided to join the circus.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:52 PM)
4 years $58 million

 

I had the signing day and the terms right. Wrong team though. Happy for Buehrle. Good luck.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:53 PM)
With Mark gone, seriously, burn the motherf***er down.

I'll bring the gas.

I dont really see a market out there for PK right now. The teams that need a 1B are either cash strapped (LAD, SF, TBR, and TEX) or not really contenders (PIT, CHC, BAL, OAK, and HOU) and would not be in the market for a veteran.

 

 

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:53 PM)
I had the signing day and the terms right. Wrong team though. Happy for Buehrle. Good luck.

Yes, good for him. But that team is shaking up to be a mess. I hope everything works out for him.

I dont really see a market out there for PK right now. The teams that need a 1B are either cash strapped (LAD, SF, TBR, and TEX) or not really contenders (PIT, CHC, BAL, OAK, and HOU) and would not be in the market for a veteran.

 

What about Milw?

Buehrle to Marlins likely means Pujols to Cards, Wilson to Angels and Fielder to Cubs

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QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:54 PM)
Yes, good for him. But that team is shaking up to be a mess. I hope everything works out for him.

 

Personally I hope it all goes to hell down there :).

With Buehrle signed and Wilson soon to follow, Danks should be traded soon.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:56 PM)
With Buehrle signed and Wilson soon to follow, Danks should be traded soon.

 

Could be, but throw in the Gio Gonzalez trade to happen before Danks.

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