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QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 05:05 PM)
Derrick is never going to publicly recruit Howard, he would essentialy be throwing his team mates, most notably Noah under the bus...

 

And that's dumb. We saw what Kobe did. He called out the entire organization and they got him Gasol, Ariza, Artest (or World Peace. God that's so gay), etc. And two championships later, I'm sure Kobe doesn't regret it one bit.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 05:09 PM)
And that's dumb. We saw what Kobe did. He called out the entire organization and they got him Gasol, Ariza, Artest (or World Peace. God that's so gay), etc. And two championships later, I'm sure Kobe doesn't regret it one bit.

That was a different situation, the Lakers were bad, these Bulls are a legit title contender, whether or not they get it done this year, time will tell but if you go around b****ing and moaning to the press you need more help, you'll get what Howard is getting in Orlando...that team has quit on D12, it's obvious.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 05:09 PM)
And that's dumb. We saw what Kobe did. He called out the entire organization and they got him Gasol, Ariza, Artest (or World Peace. God that's so gay), etc. And two championships later, I'm sure Kobe doesn't regret it one bit.

 

DR isn't on the same level Kobe was at the time. He can't do that

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And that's dumb. We saw what Kobe did. He called out the entire organization and they got him Gasol, Ariza, Artest (or World Peace. God that's so gay), etc. And two championships later, I'm sure Kobe doesn't regret it one bit.

The culture of the league took a huge shift with The Decision.

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QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 08:27 AM)
Why does he deserve it? At least he didn't walk away from it just to avoid contact and the potential embarrassment.

 

Plus it was a really, really, really obvious offensive foul on Griffin for clearing out with his off hand. Doesn't make the dunk itself less impressive, but something that obvious should be called.

 

Those statements are all correct. None of which change the fact that Griffin had what many consider one of the greatest dunks of all time over him.

 

Just because it's not his fault doesn't mean he won't, or shouldn't be, twitter's b**** for a day.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 12:39 AM)
here's my issue DB...

 

I look at every one of those and feel like it's a "Trying to find that last piece next to Howard" role. He's trying to keep Dwight happy, convince Dwight he can win in Orlando, and build a team that can "Win now" at any cost. Those deals all look like crappy deals...they're all overpays, but if the other alternative is not spending money and letting Dwight think that the team won't spend money to put players around him, then the other alternative is worse. Same with those big trades...if the guys aren't working that curently are on the Magic, those are desperation, hail mary "Maybe guy X can recover his former glory next to Dwight" deals.

 

I don't think you make any of those deals if you don't have the specter of "Departing Dwight" hanging around your neck. Just like Cleveland doesn't make a bunch of their bad deals if they didn't have the fear of "Departing James" hanging around theirs.

I think a lot of it making a move for the sake of making a move.

 

How would Orlando have gone if they didn't trade anyone after they made the finals? Would they have kept Hedo still?

 

The problem is, even if Howard is dealt, they're going to be in cap hell now. And a lot of that is on ownership, because they desperately want to win now and will overpay to do so.

 

FWIW, I think SVG is an excellent coach also, probably a top 5 coach in terms of his X and O's and his defensive system, however it's fair to say things have definitely stagnated offensively in his system. He needs a PG who can distribute the ball well in his offense, and currently Nelson is not doing that which is causing the likes of J-Rich and Hedo to have down numbers. Calderon for Nelson would be something I'd look at if the Raps were interested (Raps could start Bayless, maybe Orlando would have to chuck another piece in also like Justin Harper).

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QUOTE (DBAHO @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 03:06 AM)
I think a lot of it making a move for the sake of making a move.

 

How would Orlando have gone if they didn't trade anyone after they made the finals? Would they have kept Hedo still?

 

The problem is, even if Howard is dealt, they're going to be in cap hell now. And a lot of that is on ownership, because they desperately want to win now and will overpay to do so.

 

FWIW, I think SVG is an excellent coach also, probably a top 5 coach in terms of his X and O's and his defensive system, however it's fair to say things have definitely stagnated offensively in his system. He needs a PG who can distribute the ball well in his offense, and currently Nelson is not doing that which is causing the likes of J-Rich and Hedo to have down numbers. Calderon for Nelson would be something I'd look at if the Raps were interested (Raps could start Bayless, maybe Orlando would have to chuck another piece in also like Justin Harper).

If Orlando didn't have to worry about "Keeping Dwight", then after the Finals, they should have made the same effort they did make to sign Hedo. When they failed to sign him, then they had to look and see a much weaker roster, especially after the next season when Lewis's dropoff really started to show (and that was when he had the roid suspension as well, right?).

 

That might have been a great time to play for cap space and picks. The previous incarnation had reached its peak, and although Lewis's contract was hard to move, it might well have been clearable, at least a year at a time. Or worst case scenario, you get to a point where a new CBA comes along and then you can amnesty the last year. The other guys, like Reddick, etc., you could move in sign and trades to try to clear more salary, until you put yourself in a position where you can be a threat to sign someone like Deron Williams or Chris Paul if they become a Free Agent.

 

The problem with doing so is that it means 2-3 years of maybe being in the edge of the lottery or at the back end of the eastern conference, which isn't a fun place to be, but with the contracts they had for aging guys, they could have pulled it off and still had a 27 year old Dwight Howard with a rebuilt team around him.

 

Instead, they have to compete every year to keep Dwight happy. Thus, they start making more and more desperate, high risk moves, to see if they can pull off a competitive season every year, and they have no realistic way to escape salary cap hades.

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Per Bill Simmons, Grantland...

2. Do you realize that LeBron is having one of the greatest statistical seasons of all time?

 

I always thought Jordan's 1988-89 season (32.5 PPG, 8.0 APG, 8.0 RPG, 2.9 SPG, 53.8 percent FG, 85 percent FT, 31.1 PER) was the most impressive statistical season by a modern perimeter player … and yet, here's LeBron averaging 29.2 points, 8.3 rebounds, 7.1 assists, 55 percent shooting and a 33.38 PER (highest ever) during a condensed schedule. It's impossible. How can someone have their greatest season during THIS season? There have been games when LeBron backs down a smaller defender into the paint, uses one of the low-post moves he allegedly learned from Hakeem this summer — really just a drop step and a jump hook, but whatever — and makes it look so simple that you're sitting there thinking, "My God, he could rule everything that's holy if he kept doing that."

 

Does that mean I changed my mind and now believe he's coming through in the final 20 seconds of a nationally televised game? NO!!!!!!!! Are you crazy? After watching him choke in person yet again against the Clippers recently — it's getting to the point that Miami should just hire Bill Murray, Chris Elliott and Andie MacDowell to sit on its bench — I drove home wondering if we're witnessing the single weirdest professional sports career since Wilt Chamberlain. The seven best regular-season players of all time from a "grinding out the same game night after night after night for years on end" are Wilt, Kareem, Oscar, Michael, Mailman, Kobe and LeBron in some order. He's staying on that list no matter what happens. But there's another one that matters even more: The four most-gifted basketball players of all time are Wilt, Magic, LeBron and Michael in some order. Two of them got better when it mattered; two of them got worse. These are the facts until (or unless) LeBron James chooses to change them. To be continued.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/752344...uestions-part-1

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Joel Przybilla's agent, Bill Duffy, confirmed that the center is weighing offers to sign with either the Bulls or Heat, possibly as early as this week.

 

Need ourselves that insurance big. Not that this deal would really matter, it'd just get THE THIRD off the roster and take the role that Kurt Thomas would have seen this year.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 08:35 PM)
Joel Przybilla's agent, Bill Duffy, confirmed that the center is weighing offers to sign with either the Bulls or Heat, possibly as early as this week.

 

Need ourselves that insurance big. Not that this deal would really matter, it'd just get THE THIRD off the roster and take the role that Kurt Thomas would have seen this year.

 

I want Asik, Przybilla, and Scalabrine on the floor at the same time.

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