Dempster's first choice is the Dodgers, 2nd is the Braves. He can still veto any trade.

You're f***ing crazy if you think they'd get Floyd, Viciedo, Quintana, and a prospect for 2 months of Greinke. That's about the same as was given up for Latos, who was under control for several seasons.

 

It's going to take 2 or 3 guys who have major league ability to get Greinke. Other teams will be offering 2 pretty good prospects - the White Sox will have to make things work from their major league roster. I don't have an issue with moving Quintana at his peak value because I think he's smoke and mirror's. Viciedo would have to be included, in most scenarios, for an impact player. Maybe those two get it done, but I think that's wishful thinking, but if you had read my post completely, I'm also assuming that the White Sox aren't giving up a big package of players for a 2 month rental - Greinke would have to be resigned for the White Sox to make such a bold move.

Short term, yes. Humber is back. It doesn't sound like Floyd will be out long. Danks, no idea.

I really think that long-term we should be fine on starters, so if I can flip Floyd (plus others) for an upgrade like Greinke, I do it. One thing I still have to consider is whether I can resign these guys.

 

I really don't like the idea of mortgaging the future when long-term, we are still building up parts and getting younger is part of the reason the team has gotten here (albeit, the vets have came up huge this year as well). Plus, I'm sick of the payroll complaints and given current constraints, I don't want to deal 3 talented players who fit into our plans for a guy that leaves a year from now.

It's going to be almost impossible to use Floyd as trade bait before the deadline with his injury (not that I think they would have traded him anyways).

It's going to be almost impossible to use Floyd as trade bait before the deadline with his injury (not that I think they would have traded him anyways).

 

Correct, it was probably unlikely to begin with. Perhaps if Williams needed to become extremely creative in getting a deal done, but he would have to come back quickly and show he's healthy. Again, though, extremely unlikely.

Ill take a Peavy-Grienke-Sale-Q-Humber/Danks rotation over hit or miss Floyd in the rotation.

Ill take a Peavy-Grienke-Sale-Q-Humber/Danks rotation over hit or miss Floyd in the rotation.

I don't know if that's your order if they made it to the playoffs or just their rotation in no order, but Sale is their starter in game 1 of the postseason, no doubt.

 

Phil Rodgers thinks the Brewers want Floyd for Grienke. That still makes them a short a starter.

Phil Rodgers sucks.

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Sale is their starter in game 1 of the postseason, no doubt.

There actual are doubts as to Sale even pitching in the postseason - period.

There actual are doubts as to Sale even pitching in the postseason - period.

 

Unless he starts to completely collapse at the end of season no way in hell they shut him down in the playoffs.

Unless he starts to completely collapse at the end of season...

That is a distinct possibility and anyone who doesn't doubt Sale pitching 160+ is naive in my opinion.

I hope he pitches for 2,000 innings for us with a single major injury or set back but that's not too realistic.

 

Banking on Sale being an ace this year for he entire year and into the playoffs - also not too realistic.

That is a distinct possibility and anyone who doesn't doubt Sale pitching 160+ is naive in my opinion.

I hope he pitches for 2,000 innings for us with a single major injury or set back but that's not too realistic.

 

Banking on Sale being an ace this year for he entire year and into the playoffs - also not too realistic.

 

I'm not saying it would be ideal for Sale pitching so many innings his first season starting after being in the bullpen, but I don't see them shutting him down and almost killing their chances in the playoffs either.

That is a distinct possibility and anyone who doesn't doubt Sale pitching 160+ is naive in my opinion.

I hope he pitches for 2,000 innings for us with a single major injury or set back but that's not too realistic.

 

Banking on Sale being an ace this year for he entire year and into the playoffs - also not too realistic.

 

The White Sox will continue giving him and Peavy extra rest when they can, probably as long as they can maintain a lead in the division.

 

Barring injury, he's probably going to surpass the innings you mentioned, but I don't think it means the Sox have been wreckless with him as i can imagine will be the charge if he does go down.

 

I also expect some regression on Sale - he hasn't thrown this many innings. I do believe he'll eventually show signs of wearing down though the hope will be the extra rest he has gotten this season will give him a 2nd wind if he does show signs of fatigue.

I'm not saying it would be ideal for Sale pitching so many innings his first season starting after being in the bullpen, but I don't see them shutting him down and almost killing their chances in the playoffs either.

My point isn't in them just shutting him down as a preemptive precautionary move but rather that Sales arm doesn't hold up and he needs to be shut down.

 

I hope it doesn't happen and he may be fine...

I just wouldn't place all my eggs in that basket.

 

Newtons law, 'member?

Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst

#Cubs still working to trade Ryan Dempster ASAP. One source says Red Sox are officially out on Dempster, still in on Matt Garza

 

Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst

#Cubs still working to trade Ryan Dempster ASAP. One source says Red Sox are officially out on Dempster, still in on Matt Garza

Is L.A. still the front runner?

Is L.A. still the front runner?

according to buster olney and bob nightengale, yes

Paul Maholm would be a nice addition to the Sox and he wouldn't cost as much.

Edited July 19, 201213 yr by SOXOBAMA

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN

 

In the ever-changing trade landscape: The Dodgers and Cubs haven't found common ground in Dempster talks. Other teams being aggressive.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN

 

In the ever-changing trade landscape: The Dodgers and Cubs haven't found common ground in Dempster talks. Other teams being aggressive.

Hmmm I wonder who? Now that Boston is out and if LA and the Cubs cant find a common ground.. hmmm... are you guys thinking what im thinking?

Hmmm I wonder who? Now that Boston is out and if LA and the Cubs cant find a common ground.. hmmm... are you guys thinking what im thinking?

 

Braves were said to be pretty aggressive. Dempster doesnt want to leave the NL, and he has veto rights

Hmmm I wonder who? Now that Boston is out and if LA and the Cubs cant find a common ground.. hmmm... are you guys thinking what im thinking?

 

Right Brain, but who would get the pants on the monkey?

Braves were said to be pretty aggressive. Dempster doesnt want to leave the NL, and he has veto rights

 

Details. Kenny can be quite the salesman when he wants. Just ask Jake Peavy.

Details. Kenny can be quite the salesman when he wants. Just ask Jake Peavy.

 

Yea but Peavy was getting paid no matter what. If Dempster leaves the NL, and totally gets lit up in the AL, he is affecting his paycheck next season and beyond.

Yea but Peavy was getting paid no matter what. If Dempster leaves the NL, and totally gets lit up in the AL, he is affecting his paycheck next season and beyond.

 

Playing for the Sox would mean he gets to stay in Chicago near his family. And it sounds like he will be re-signing with the Cubs next year anyway for less money.

Playing for the Sox would mean he gets to stay in Chicago near his family. And it sounds like he will be re-signing with the Cubs next year anyway for less money.

Seems to make sense for all sides. Cubs get a couple decent prospects. We get our rent-a-pitcher in attempt to help push us over the top. Ryan gets to stay in Chicago with his family. And once Ryan wears the black, he will never go back.