I try to look at San Francisco as a model for the Sox, but being in the NL West in that huge pitchers park plays such a difference. They could win in the playoffs, but I think they may have a hard time getting there with a "barely adequate" offense in the AL.

A barely adequate offense (9th in the AL iirc) worked for the 05 Sox too.

If you want offense, you don't trade Q or Santiago. You dump Danks' contract for nothing and use the savings to sign a free agent or two.

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A barely adequate offense (9th in the AL iirc) worked for the 05 Sox too.

It did, but that's just not sustainable...I want to build a program that constantly challenges for a WS title.

A barely adequate offense (9th in the AL iirc) worked for the 05 Sox too.

 

Touche.

If you want offense, you don't trade Q or Santiago. You dump Danks' contract for nothing and use the savings to sign a free agent or two.

 

Who is going to make a difference at $14 million a year for one person, or two for a combined $14 million a year?

Who is going to make a difference at $14 million a year for one person, or two for a combined $14 million a year?

$14m per year should get you a pretty darn good offensive player.

a-choooo

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Diamondbacks I'm asking Skaggs, Eaton, Owings, Davidson, Holmberg, Trahan.

Pirates I'm asking Tallion, Cole, Polanco, Hanson and McGuire.

 

Again, these are the types of deals I'd be willing to trade Sale for. And that's only if we get Rodon.

 

No team is going to pay that price.

It did, but that's just not sustainable...I want to build a program that constantly challenges for a WS title.

An ace pitcher is absolutely part of building sustained success. And te lack of one can definitely prevent sustained success.

$14m per year should get you a pretty darn good offensive player.

Brian McCann for four years.

An ace pitcher is absolutely part of building sustained success. And te lack of one can definitely prevent sustained success.

Agreed. You need the ace and a cost controlled one is even better. It's worth the injury risk to keep him. Unless a young ace in the making is included in a 4 player package.

No one will give what I'd want for Sale. Plus Sale is huge if you are going to contend in the postseason.

 

McCann isn't all that bad, but all the injury issues are troublesome. Career 119 OPS+ is pretty nice out of a catcher (problem is he'll have to move positions at some point). However, its a major upgrade over Phegley/FLowers production. Someone probably gives him a lot of money.

No one will give what I'd want for Sale. Plus Sale is huge if you are going to contend in the postseason.

 

McCann isn't all that bad, but all the injury issues are troublesome. Career 119 OPS+ is pretty nice out of a catcher (problem is he'll have to move positions at some point). However, its a major upgrade over Phegley/FLowers production. Someone probably gives him a lot of money.

He'll have a limited market since a lot of the AL teams will want to move him, which I would be fine with down the line. But for now I'm all aboard the McCann for catcher train. Here's a good analysis from MLB Trade Rumors/ATL paper for his market:

 

Braves catcher Brian McCann finally seems to be fully healthy and has been red-hot over the last two weeks, leading David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution to predict that if McCann keeps it up, he'll score a free agent contact close to Yadier Molina's five-year, $75MM deal with the Cardinals. O'Brien notes that this deal will come from an AL team that will eventually transition McCann to a DH role, which is why I'd argue that McCann's eventual contract will fall at least $10-$15MM short of Molina's deal. McCann's bat doesn't carry a $15MM average annual value if it's not coming from the catcher position, plus Molina brought elite defense and a less-checkered injury history into his new contract.

 

4 years 60-65 mil, sign me up

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An ace pitcher is absolutely part of building sustained success. And te lack of one can definitely prevent sustained success.

All I'm saying is he is a luxury we cannot afford. This is like saying I need this Tom Ford suit when I don't have shoes and socks.

 

By the time I get the shoes and socks, I'll have shown off this suit so many times it won't be nearly as valuable to me anymore.

 

But I could trade the suit right now for shoes and socks and other suits that look nice...

He's signed through 2019...

Sale is cheap for several more years. If the Sox don't have a contending team by 2016, they can still deal him for a lot of value. Why give up now?

 

I could see moving Addison Reed, but even then, not until next deadline, if the team is tanking again.

Sale is cheap for several more years. If the Sox don'tproblemave a contending team by 2016, they can still deal him for a lot of value. Why give up now?

 

I could see moving Addison Reed, but even then, not until next deadline, if the team is tanking again.

Yeah it's weird. The people who want him traded want to get a package around two top prospects. You will literally have no problem getting that 5 seasons from now for that.

All I'm saying is he is a luxury we cannot afford. This is like saying I need this Tom Ford suit when I don't have shoes and socks.

 

By the time I get the shoes and socks, I'll have shown off this suit so many times it won't be nearly as valuable to me anymore.

 

But I could trade the suit right now for shoes and socks and other suits that look nice...

A competent offense is easier to build than finding an ace. If the Sox cannot build a competent offense before this young starting staff has to be broken up due to cost, then the FO will be gone anyway.

$14m per year should get you a pretty darn good offensive player.

 

Of course.

Again, these are the types of deals I'd be willing to trade Sale for. And that's only if we get Rodon.

 

No team is going to pay that price.

 

I'd add in the Cards to this crazy list.

 

Adams/Tavares/Martinez or Wacha/Carpenter(hitter) for Sale and Lexi.

 

I'd want at least one guy who has already produced admirably at the major league level. Adams and Carpenter(who could make sense with Wong coming up) give you that. Throw in 2 more top 25 prospects and I just couldn't say no to that..Added Lexi just to make it a little more realistic.

 

It'd have to be something ridiculous like that.

Edited August 7, 201312 yr by scs787

I'd add in the Cards to this crazy list.

 

Adams/Tavares/Martinez or Wacha/Carpenter(hitter) for Sale and Lexi.

 

I'd want at least one guy who has already produced admirably at the major league level. Adams and Carpenter(who could make sense with Wong coming up) give you that. Throw in 2 more top 26 prospects and I just couldn't say no to that..Added Lexi just to make it a little more realistic.

 

It'd have to be something ridiculous like that.

 

I think that is a terrible return for Sale, much less Sale and Alexei.

I think that is a terrible return for Sale, much less Sale and Alexei.

 

Really now? You get a potential ace in Martinez or Wacha, and 3 good left handed bats to really balance out the lineup (we have zero LHB in the minors).

 

I like it much better than ones Q posted. They can throw in Blazek and some lower level guys as well.

Edited August 7, 201312 yr by scs787

Really now? You get a potential ace in Martinez or Wacha, and 3 good left handed bats to really balance out the lineup (we have zero LHB in the minors).

 

I like it much better than ones Q posted. They can throw in Blazek and some lower level guys as well.

 

Martinez and Wacha. Not or.

 

The two deals I posted...Skaggs and Homberg and Cole and Tallion.

 

That's 2 high level pitching prospects from each deal + bats. That's where conversations start.

Yahoo Sports has a good article on Viciedo. Tone of the article suggests Viciedo will not be back next year. Article says Manto, Baines and Ventura have basically given up trying to install some disciple to his swing. His jammed thumb from last night might open the door for Garcia soon. Wouldn't be surprised if Viciedo goes on the DL.

No point in giving him away. Selling low is the wrong way to operate.

they also say Viciedo has a very fast bat and good swing plane. Manto can't seem to fix him; maybe if we bring in a 2nd professional to work with him it might help.

Martinez and Wacha. Not or.

 

The two deals I posted...Skaggs and Homberg and Cole and Tallion.

 

That's 2 high level pitching prospects from each deal + bats. That's where conversations start.

 

Ya, you're right, had to look over your deals again, they're better than the one I proposed. I'd still want some bats that are already producing in the majors in any kind of deal for Sale. All the minor league hitters you proposed the white sox getting could very well never amount to anything in the bigs.

 

The Cards would have the bullets. If they theoretically got Martinez AND Wacha to go along with Q, Santiago, and Danks/Reinzo/EJ that could be something special.

Edited August 7, 201312 yr by scs787