Jenksismyhero Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 08:01 AM) Rice out 8 weeks-ish due to a broken wrist, still extremely rusty from that Cosby is off the team after suspension and just a horrific season Nunn took longer to recover from offseason knee injury I would say those have contributed just a tad to that record. The big thing is he's either super passive or super aggressive. Nothing in between. An entire offensive possession will go by and he doesn't touch the ball, or if he does, it's a simple hand-off, or he's a ball hog and drives to the lane and takes a contested shot. He needs to try and set guys up more. The defense collapses around him, we have good shooters, why isn't that the offense instead of this garbage, toilet bowl offense they run (i.e., nothing). Also, there were about 5 trips where Tate is holding the ball with 5-6 seconds left in the shot clock. That's moronic. I'd bench guys, especially Nunn, Hill and Rice, for ever giving up the ball to Tate with that much time on the clock. I'd rather you take a fall away contested three than give the ball to Tate with the pressure to do something with the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 10:10 AM) The big thing is he's either super passive or super aggressive. Nothing in between. An entire offensive possession will go by and he doesn't touch the ball, or if he does, it's a simple hand-off, or he's a ball hog and drives to the lane and takes a contested shot. He needs to try and set guys up more. The defense collapses around him, we have good shooters, why isn't that the offense instead of this garbage, toilet bowl offense they run (i.e., nothing). Also, there were about 5 trips where Tate is holding the ball with 5-6 seconds left in the shot clock. That's moronic. I'd bench guys, especially Nunn, Hill and Rice, for ever giving up the ball to Tate with that much time on the clock. I'd rather you take a fall away contested three than give the ball to Tate with the pressure to do something with the ball. The point guard is almost always the release in those late shot clock situations. If somebody on the wing is bottled up under 10 seconds left, the pass is back to the top of the key for a reversal (assuming there isn't a post feed available - and on this team, there isn't). Likewise, Tate is always going to be the open man there because teams aren't trying to deny him the ball. So if the options are (1) forced shot; (2) turnover; and (3) pass to Tate and hope, you pass to Tate and hope... That's the problem with Tate generally. Unless he becomes at worst a 25% 3 point shooter, he's a career backup at best. Also of note, I was 100% sure Nunn's three was going in with 38 seconds left. Wednesday just became a lot, lot more important... need to win @ Iowa City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) The point guard is almost always the release in those late shot clock situations. If somebody on the wing is bottled up under 10 seconds left, the pass is back to the top of the key for a reversal (assuming there isn't a post feed available - and on this team, there isn't). Likewise, Tate is always going to be the open man there because teams aren't trying to deny him the ball. So if the options are (1) forced shot; (2) turnover; and (3) pass to Tate and hope, you pass to Tate and hope... That's the problem with Tate generally. Unless he becomes at worst a 25% 3 point shooter, he's a career backup at best. Also of note, I was 100% sure Nunn's three was going in with 38 seconds left. Wednesday just became a lot, lot more important... need to win @ Iowa City. I've seen Hill be more successful with his contested old-man, H-O-R-S-E shots than Tate with an open look. I'd take my chances with Hill, no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) The point guard is almost always the release in those late shot clock situations. If somebody on the wing is bottled up under 10 seconds left, the pass is back to the top of the key for a reversal (assuming there isn't a post feed available - and on this team, there isn't). Likewise, Tate is always going to be the open man there because teams aren't trying to deny him the ball. So if the options are (1) forced shot; (2) turnover; and (3) pass to Tate and hope, you pass to Tate and hope... That's the problem with Tate generally. Unless he becomes at worst a 25% 3 point shooter, he's a career backup at best. Also of note, I was 100% sure Nunn's three was going in with 38 seconds left. Wednesday just became a lot, lot more important... need to win @ Iowa City. One thing college teams suck at is panic as the shot clock winds down. In the NBA it is at 2 or 1 and guys are calm they still run the offense, good shots occur. Once it gets down to 8 in a college game, panic sets in. It seems very rarely do they get a good shot if they let it get under 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Iowa 55, Illinois 57 and Purdue 59 in today's RPI. Iowa a 10 seed, Purdue in the last four guaranteed byes and Illinois in a play-in game as of this morning at ESPN Bracketology. Iowa State a 3 seed. Fwiw, you'd much rather be a 7 or 10 seed because that gives you a #2 instead of #1 the 2nd round. Avoiding KY would probably be a good recipe for survival, although WI on a really good night definitely could knock them off in the Elite 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 10:23 AM) I've seen Hill be more successful with his contested old-man, H-O-R-S-E shots than Tate with an open look. I'd take my chances with Hill, no question. Oh, no doubt. There were two great Hill possessions last night. The first, Dawson was yelling at Hill's man to watch for the shot fake, Hill got him to bite, made the jumper, and drew the foul. Dawson bit on the Hill shot fake a couple possessions later. Clearly Michigan State had scouted Hill's old-man HORSE game. But the shot fakes are so good, he still had them biting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 s*** just got interesting in the big 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 23, 2015 -> 10:22 PM) s*** just got interesting in the big 12. What's really confusing is, I can't seem to find a reliable set of tie-breaker rules, if there even are any. So if some combination of Kansas, Iowa State and/or Oklahoma finish with the same conference record, and the head-to-head is an even 1-1 tie... who is the conference champion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 24, 2015 -> 08:00 AM) What's really confusing is, I can't seem to find a reliable set of tie-breaker rules, if there even are any. So if some combination of Kansas, Iowa State and/or Oklahoma finish with the same conference record, and the head-to-head is an even 1-1 tie... who is the conference champion? "In a strange and somewhat sad tradition, in order to appear as something they are not, Kansas will claim the Big 12 championship." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 24, 2015 -> 08:00 AM) What's really confusing is, I can't seem to find a reliable set of tie-breaker rules, if there even are any. So if some combination of Kansas, Iowa State and/or Oklahoma finish with the same conference record, and the head-to-head is an even 1-1 tie... who is the conference champion? I just think they share it, no tiebreaker. (Other than tournament seeding) At least four of Kansas's consecutive titles were shared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Feb 24, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) "In a strange and somewhat sad tradition, in order to appear as something they are not, Kansas will claim the Big 12 championship." lol, well played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Wow Maryland, why would you storm the court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 It's not like WI is going to lose two more games in the B10 in the final weeks. Good for Iowa's RPI, haha. But still wouldn't be shocked if they lose to Illinois WED night or blow them out by 15-20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Mike Brey went into full March mode last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 24, 2015 -> 07:51 PM) Wow Maryland, why would you storm the court? Their flash mob was pretty awesome though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...;ATCLID=1520897 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 There was a 10:06 minute stretch (from about 13 to 3) where IU didn't score. Not a single point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 QUOTE (farmteam @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 08:46 PM) There was a 10:06 minute stretch (from about 13 to 3) where IU didn't score. Not a single point. I kept reloading my gamecast thinking it was failing to update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 07:48 PM) I kept reloading my gamecast thinking it was failing to update. Rutgers game aside we've been playing pretty poorly lately. If we beat both Iowa and MSU all will be well. But gonna need to actually hit free throws for that to happen. And score more than 14 points in an entire half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 NW is actually looking like a legit B10 team again. I guess that takes a bit of the sting off losing there, seeing Indiana also lose in Evanston. Point-spread has gone from 6.5 to 8 with Iowa as the favorite. WEIRD. That almost guarantees an Iowa loss, literally if not in the betting world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Woodbury is just the worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Adam Woodbury is f***ing terrible and he is a thug out there to. Leron Black has rightfully been called out by announcers at times this year but it is stunning that Woodbury hasn't been called out more for the bulls*** he pulls on the court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 The thing is, Olaseni's a much more dynamic and effective player, yet McCaffrey's bound and determined to force him on Iowa fans. It's almost like when he beat out Roy Williams/UNC in the recruiting battle, he was promised that he would start forever or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Sigh. That ball was clearly off Olaseni's foot and not remotely close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Terrible free throw shooting by Iowa so far. Illinois should just unintentionally intentionally foul Woodbury every time he's on the court. Edited February 26, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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