May 30, 201411 yr Pros - At the height of his value given age/contract status/performance/track record Reasonable contract that will fit into almost any teams payroll Would bring the best return of anyone on the roster outside of Sale and Abreu The market for starting pitching may be crazy this summer with all of the injuries that have happened to other starters on contending teams. Cons - Quality starting pitching is hard to find for a reasonable amount Prospect laden deals are hit and miss, emphasis on the miss Contract makes he and Sale very affordable through 2020
May 30, 201411 yr Unless this team goes into a full collapse and rebuild, there is no reason to trade Quintana, unless the return was insane.
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May 30, 201411 yr My response to this OP is like my response to seeing a closet full of spiders - NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
May 30, 201411 yr Why should they? They're in it right now, and Quintana is locked up. I really don't understand all of the trade talk/who can we trade while the team is still in it. Yeah, I get they aren't going to make moves to jeopardize the future, but the Beckham/Alexei/Quintana speculation stuff seems out of place while the team is in-season and not buried.
May 30, 201411 yr For a haul yes, otherwise no. Parity in MLB means we can contend soon with him, or we can trade him for a haul and contend in either '14 or '15 with what's coming here (considering the upcoming high draft pick...and also considering what our payroll will allow us to do i.e. absorb Liriano type guy from someone midyear, etc) I say haul because the contract we signed him to should equate to trade-haul in the right market/circumstances etc. If it doesnt, then no....keep Q Edited May 30, 201411 yr by Jose Paniagua
May 30, 201411 yr No -- it's a similar argument to why you don't trade Sale. These are the guys you hope the prospects turn into. At some point you have to retain some of them in order to build a core.
May 30, 201411 yr I don't get why people even talk of trading Quintana and Sale. They are proven starting pitchers that are locked up incredibly cheap for the next several seasons which is exactly what we need for our rebuild. Frankly it gets a little old that the discussion is seemingly brought up every few weeks. Even if the Sox were to trade them, it would be for multiple top prospects who at best one would turn out as good as Sale or Quintana. So what the hell would be the point in trading them and taking the risk?
May 30, 201411 yr sometimes it seems people are more concerned about the Sox being #1 in prospect rankings than actually keeping good young players under reasonable salaries.
May 30, 201411 yr You'd listen but it would have to be one hell of a deal & the main piece would need to be already in the big leagues performing at least somewhat decently. Yeah it would definitely have to be an overpay. Kind of like the A's deal for Haren from the DBacks, which was Dan Haren + Connor Robertson to AZ for Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland, Carlos Gonzalez and Greg Smith. You get that kind of return offered to you and then you have to evaluate things differently. Especially if we draft a 4th LHSP in a few days. Edited May 30, 201411 yr by The Ultimate Champion
May 30, 201411 yr QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:59 AM) sometimes it seems people are more concerned about the Sox being #1 in prospect rankings than actually keeping good young players under reasonable salaries. Yeah and right now here's the thing, we trade Reed for Davidson and the better MLB player ATM with a better looking future is Connor Gillaspie who we acquired for a song. Erik Johnson was a high draft pick but now he's in the minors performing at a level below Noesi who we claimed free on waivers and Rienzo who wasn't nearly rated as highly & was considered a fringe big leaguer. Plus there's all those top pick s***ty OFers in the minors right now who unlike the free Moises Sierra have zero shot at any MLB playing time in the reasonable future. So if you make a big trade and give up an excellent player you'd need a whole lot back. And if you get a massive deal thrown at you on anyone outside of Sale & Abreu you at least have to listen, but no way I'd trade Q at a price other teams would want to pay. Now Toronto or Baltimore, would they give up a fortune to get Q and his contract over Samardzija, who they'd be unlikely to extend? Maybe if the right situaiton pops up you think about it, but it would have to be a bowl-me-over thing if you're Hahn, because good players already come more or less free all the time as it is if you can do the scouting.
May 30, 201411 yr QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:59 AM) sometimes it seems people are more concerned about the Sox being #1 in prospect rankings than actually keeping good young players under reasonable salaries. Both.
May 30, 201411 yr Trading your better young players who will be reasonably priced for the forseeable future, especially a starting pitcher, where your team has a clear void, generally blows up in your face if you are planning on being good any time soon. Edited May 30, 201411 yr by Dick Allen
May 30, 201411 yr No because similar to Sale, you wouldn't get what Quintana's contract is worth in a trade. Q has been damn good this year.
May 30, 201411 yr I'm down to trade anybody for the right deal. I think you can make a good argument to trade Sale before Quintana.
May 30, 201411 yr I was all on board with this all of last year and the offseason, until this year when we proved to actually have no pitching depth at all. Now, you hold on to him at all costs.
May 30, 201411 yr QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:09 AM) Pros - At the height of his value given age/contract status/performance/track record I disagree with this basic premise. He's 25, not 30. How do we know he's at the "height". And that height may last for a long time, as it often does with easy throwing lefties. The man's consistent. We need pitchers like him. And our system is not exactly replete with arms. We have plenty of other superior options to trade, like surplus middle infielders, Dunn, De Aza and then guys like Phegley. And frankly we need to trade a lot of these guys even though we'll get similar in return. Edited May 30, 201411 yr by GreenSox
May 30, 201411 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 30, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) The White Sox need starting pitching. Not shedding it. Exactly. What do you want to trade him for? The offense is currently better than the staff and there's way more help coming from the minors on the position side than on the pitching side.
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