BlackSox13 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 12:20 PM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 2m2 minutes ago Billy Beane says he plans on Jeff Samardzija being ace of #Athletics staff next year Wait, Beane still wants to compete next year and is not going to trade Shark away? I'm shocked... There's a few Sox fans around here that will not be happy about this. There could be riots... Edited November 19, 2014 by StRoostifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 01:51 PM) The thing is no team has ever gone bankrupt. Incorrect. Technically this counts too. In the first one, one of the biggest creditors the Rangers had during their bankruptcy proceedings was this muscle bound freak named Alex Roidriguez or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 01:00 PM) Incorrect. Technically this counts too. In the first one, one of the biggest creditors the Rangers had during their bankruptcy proceedings was this muscle bound freak named Alex Roidriguez or something like that. The Dodgers filed Chapter 11 in 2011 too, but that was more related to the divorce of Frank and Jamie McCourt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 07:11 AM) I dont remember saying that Sox fans were anywhere near the best in baseball. Also, Cubs attendance has dropped by over a million fans annually over the last 4 years. Where did you get that attendance info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 12:08 PM) If a fast food restaurant - say Crazy George's - was willing to pay people $30 an hour to put out the best fast food in the area while taking home microscopic profit margins, while the rest of the fast food restaurants - say "Tampa Tacos" - gave the typical $10 an hour to take home bigger profits while putting out a lesser quality product, I doubt people would say "those people are Crazy George's are way overpaid." Economic theory says no one is ever overpaid and that people will only ever be underpaid. Someone/Something may be paid/may cost more than you were willing to spend, but someone out there is willing to spend that amount for that service/product at that price, and thus it is valued properly. The problem never lies in that. The problem lies in our inability to properly determine the depreciation of that service over time. A lot of times these services depreciate way faster than we realize they will, even after time and time again we see it do the same thing, partly because we've seen it work previously (both the service and extending the life of the service) and because the known is better than the unknown until it's not or the unknown becomes known. Reality is one thing. The fans perception is another. Fans will always say that the professional athletes in the major sports are overpaid when it comes to salary and especially free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 10m10 minutes ago Whitman, MA According to a mAjor league source the Red Sox offer to Jon Lester falls into $110-$120 range over six years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 04:49 PM) Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 10m10 minutes ago Whitman, MA According to a mAjor league source the Red Sox offer to Jon Lester falls into $110-$120 range over six years. That is a very beatable deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 The Rangers' situation was mostly related to real estate/shopping mall overexposure and also Liverpool/Arsenal....one of those Premiere League teams. It's not like the profit-generating model was broken in Texas. Quite the opposite. It's that the Rangers' profitability was being used to cushion all the other spread sheet/line item disasters in Hicks' portfolio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 05:02 PM) That is a very beatable deal. It's an initial offer. It will be beaten. As Michael Scott says, you always turn down the first offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 05:02 PM) That is a very beatable deal. One of those "more for PR than anything" announcements, so the Red Sox can argue they mounted a "sincere" attempt to bring Lester back to pacify the fans who can only speculate what it's like to turn down $100+ million in guaranteed money to play a kid's game (see Juan Gonzalez). Seems they prefer Shields at $90-100 million. They should know what they're doing, they had all the opportunity in the world to observe Lester and evaluate what he's worth, exactly, moving forward. Edited November 19, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 08:25 PM) Braves release Jonny Venters. Admittedly, I don't know much about him but I am interested. He was almost the lefty Craig Kimbrel, that's how good he was. But the Braves Dusty Bakered him, hasn't pitched since 2012 after having his 2nd and 3rd Tommy John surgeries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I believe Brandon Beachy is on his 2nd as well. I remember him being rumoured to the Sox during the 2011 dead line, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 04:49 PM) Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 10m10 minutes ago Whitman, MA According to a mAjor league source the Red Sox offer to Jon Lester falls into $110-$120 range over six years. I'd be insulted at that if I were Lester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) I'd be insulted at that if I were Lester. I would have a hard time being insulted about being offered a contract guaranteeing me more money than I will ever need. I understand he will get more, but in negotiation, rarely is the best offer the first offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I saw a couple of projections in the $145-155 million range. That's a LOT more realistic. Still, he hasn't been completely consistent the last five years...on the other hand, he was better than Scherzer in 2014, arguably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 1m1 minute ago cuban slugger tomas, with visa in hand, may attend winter meetings dec. 8 in san diego. http://cbsprt.co/1xtpVBy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Jorge Arangure @jorgearangure 2m2 minutes ago Yesterday MLB declared Cuban RHPs Jorge Hernandez and Yoanys Quiala free agents. Both considered good young talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 2m2 minutes ago The #Nats are informing teams that ace Jordan Zimmermann is available,but only if they get strong return,emphasizing it is not a salary dump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors 5m5 minutes ago Blue Jays Pursuing Torii Hunter http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/?p=43848 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 11:05 AM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 2m2 minutes ago The #Nats are informing teams that ace Jordan Zimmermann is available,but only if they get strong return,emphasizing it is not a salary dump I'd love to add JZ, but his price would be huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 01:46 PM) I'd love to add JZ, but his price would be huge. single season rental too Wish they could sign him to an extension as a part of the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) I think the Sox blew it not getting involved with Billy Butler. He's cheap in today's standards and a genius like Beane was willing to go three years. He'd have been potentially dandy in the hitter-friendly Cell. I'm not saying Billy is a god, but it's the Sox type of signing. Taking a chance on a guy who had a bad year. He's only 28. He could have possibly gone on a nice six-year run on the South Side. He finally elevates a bit and we might have had a good DH. Also would have been nice to have him in 19 games a year vs. KC. Now I could be wrong if Billy gets fat and continues to not elevate, but I think if the Sox are gonna continue to be a small market team like they have been payroll wise, this signing made a lot of sense. Go after the 8-10 million buck a year guys. I'd say this is a fail by Hahn. Cause he's not going to get any of the mega contract type guys. p.s. I'm in favor of acquiring Torii Hunter now. Yes he's old, but same reasoning as Butler. Figure you can get him 6-10 million a year for two years or one year and an option year. Edited November 21, 2014 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 10:55 PM) I think the Sox blew it not getting involved with Billy Butler. He's cheap in today's standards and a genius like Beane was willing to go three years. He'd have been potentially dandy in the hitter-friendly Cell. I'm not saying Billy is a god, but it's the Sox type of signing. Taking a chance on a guy who had a bad year. He's only 28. He could have possibly gone on a nice six-year run on the South Side. He finally elevates a bit and we might have had a good DH. Also would have been nice to have him in 19 games a year vs. KC. Now I could be wrong if Billy gets fat and continues to not elevate, but I think if the Sox are gonna continue to be a small market team like they have been payroll wise, this signing made a lot of sense. Go after the 8-10 million buck a year guys. I'd say this is a fail by Hahn. Cause he's not going to get any of the mega contract type guys. p.s. I'm in favor of acquiring Torii Hunter now. Yes he's old, but same reasoning as Butler. Figure you can get him 6-10 million a year for two years or one year and an option year. A lot of guys like Butler start regressing at 29-30. It was a big gamble to give him 3 years, especially after the year he had. Beane's getting quite a bit of backlash for the signing. It's just not very smart. They also have 3-4 guys on that team who can DH and play 1B. Oakland's also a much worse hitter's park than KC. It just didn't make a ton of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Billy Butler doesn't hit left handed can't play defense is slow hits for little power plays the same position as Sox best position player, eliminating any DH flexibility I still see zero reason why he would have been good for the Sox, thank you Billy Beane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 10:55 PM) I think the Sox blew it not getting involved with Billy Butler. He's cheap in today's standards and a genius like Beane was willing to go three years. He'd have been potentially dandy in the hitter-friendly Cell. I'm not saying Billy is a god, but it's the Sox type of signing. Taking a chance on a guy who had a bad year. He's only 28. He could have possibly gone on a nice six-year run on the South Side. He finally elevates a bit and we might have had a good DH. Also would have been nice to have him in 19 games a year vs. KC. Now I could be wrong if Billy gets fat and continues to not elevate, but I think if the Sox are gonna continue to be a small market team like they have been payroll wise, this signing made a lot of sense. Go after the 8-10 million buck a year guys. I'd say this is a fail by Hahn. Cause he's not going to get any of the mega contract type guys. p.s. I'm in favor of acquiring Torii Hunter now. Yes he's old, but same reasoning as Butler. Figure you can get him 6-10 million a year for two years or one year and an option year. Hunter is too old to play the OF, but sadly he's probably better than Avisail nevertheless. If they were trying to win THIS season (like the Royals), it MIGHT make sense. Paying him when he's 40-42 and expecting his recent production to continue is downright insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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