OmarComing25 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (coco1997 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:06 PM) Small sample size but all of the Cubs big name prospects have looked like winners so far. It really makes this organization look pathetically inadequate. Is it too much to ask for one position player to come through and contribute? Have to hope that Anderson can put it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 07:10 PM) On the offensive end, there is an insane talent gap between the Sox and Cubs. Only Avi would be able to start for them this year. Are you starting him over Coghlan, Fowler or Soler? Fowler's slowed down to the point where there's at least a debate between him and Eaton now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:11 AM) Is it too much to ask for one position player to come through and contribute? Have to hope that Anderson can put it together. All these Cubs hitters are considered top 20 prospects when they get promoted. When is last time Sox had someone like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:14 AM) Are you starting him over Coghlan, Fowler or Soler? Fowler's slowed down to the point where there's at least a debate between him and Eaton now. Over Soler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:06 PM) Uh, I didn't say anything about the Cubs upcoming "sustained run of excellence." I said that Kyle Schwarber is a helluva hitting prospect who may not be able to play a position -- which is exactly the scouting report on him a year ago. That means he can be an absolutely devastating DH, which means, at the least, he has immense trade value for half the teams in baseball. He MAY be able to catch at some point, but even the Cubs know that he can't right now. Reading. A skill. No, you're pigeonholing Kyle Schwarber because he's a Cub. If he were a Cardinal you wouldn't be doing that. I can't believe grown men can't leave emotion out of their sports fandom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 07:14 PM) All these Cubs hitters are considered top 20 prospects when they get promoted. When is last time Sox had someone like that? Borchard might have been in his first or second year before they discovered all of his flaws and everyone was more fixated on this signing bonus. Back then all the hype was around Dunn, Borchard and Kearns hitting-wise. Beckham was Top 50 for sure but I don't remember Top 20. Edited June 19, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) No, you're pigeonholing Kyle Schwarber because he's a Cub. If he were a Cardinal you wouldn't be doing that. I can't believe grown men can't leave emotion out of their sports fandom. Give it a rest. Did you miss the part where he said Schwarber was an excellent hitter that had immense value? If he were a Cardinal, there'd still be the same issue of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) No, you're pigeonholing Kyle Schwarber because he's a Cub. If he were a Cardinal you wouldn't be doing that. I can't believe grown men can't leave emotion out of their sports fandom. What? Jeez, dude, you must have me confused with someone else. Maybe you should leave emotion out of YOUR sports fandom. I'm looking at the Cubs situation, just like everyone in baseball (including the Cubs) looks at the Cubs' situation. He's pretty much not an outfielder; they have Rizzo (you like HIM, right?) at first. So Schwarber's going to catch, displace Rizzo, or perhaps be trade bait. That's it. This is not a surprise. If you've followed the Cubs like you claim you have, then you know that Theo's whole plan is to gather as many hitters as possible (the most valuable commodity in baseball today) and then sort it out later. Some will make it, some won't, some will be traded for pitching. Or did you miss the part where they traded for Addison Russell even though they already had Starlin Castro and Javy Baez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco1997 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) Kyle Schwarber . . . home run. Looks good up there, really good. Also, not a chance he can stick in the outfield, competently. So, if he can't play catcher (and he can't yet), he's strictly a DH. They don't have those in the National League. So this will be interesting. Oh, I'm sure MLB will bend to the Cubs' will and bring the DH to the NL soon, since just about everything else has gone the Cubs' way this year. Edited June 19, 2015 by coco1997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 If Schwarber dropped a lot of weight, you could imagine him playing LF (right is much tricker in Wrigley) as long as they had plus defenders in CF and RF...but it's a bit of a stretch. Then again, if you've watched guys like Lonnie Smith, Pete Incaviglia and Kevin Reimer play LF, anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) What? Jeez, dude, you must have me confused with someone else. Maybe you should leave emotion out of YOUR sports fandom. I'm looking at the Cubs situation, just like everyone in baseball (including the Cubs) looks at the Cubs' situation. He's pretty much not an outfielder; they have Rizzo (you like HIM, right?) at first. So Schwarber's going to catch, displace Rizzo, or perhaps be trade bait. That's it. This is not a surprise. If you've followed the Cubs like you claim you have, then you know that Theo's whole plan is to gather as many hitters as possible (the most valuable commodity in baseball today) and then sort it out later. Some will make it, some won't, some will be traded for pitching. Or did you miss the part where they traded for Addison Russell even though they already had Starlin Castro and Javy Baez? Lol. so basically, one of (if not the best) hitting prospects in baseball can only be traded to the al or for pitching because he has nothing but DH in his future? #stopIT. Edited June 19, 2015 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:30 PM) Lol. so basically, one of (if not the best) hitting prospects in baseball can only be traded to the al or for pitching because he has nothing but DH in his future? #stopIT. #GoodTimesWithYou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:28 PM) If Schwarber dropped a lot of weight, you could imagine him playing LF (right is much tricker in Wrigley) as long as they had plus defenders in CF and RF...but it's a bit of a stretch. Then again, if you've watched guys like Lonnie Smith, Pete Incaviglia and Kevin Reimer play LF, anything is possible. Good points, Caulfield, but that's right: he'd have to lose some weight, or they'd have to carry him out there. Could happen, I guess, but it also becomes a bit of a liability then. Maybe if Almora figures it out for CF, they could partially compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Francona with awesome managing tonight. He used his closer in the 5th inning with bases loaded after a rain delay. Allen retired Montero, and the Indians bullpen held the Cubs scoreless rest of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 10:38 PM) Francona with awesome managing tonight. He used his closer in the 5th inning with bases loaded after a rain delay. Allen retired Montero, and the Indians bullpen held the Cubs scoreless rest of way. Reminiscent of the days when Zumaya was in his prime with the Tigers...before all the injuries destroyed his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I hate this but I am jealous of the Cubs right now and all their hitting prospects. they are starting to do thing right over there while we still suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 11:38 PM) Francona with awesome managing tonight. He used his closer in the 5th inning with bases loaded after a rain delay. Allen retired Montero, and the Indians bullpen held the Cubs scoreless rest of way. That is awesome. So few managers are willing to do that, but way to use your best reliever with the game on the line. And with the rain delay, it was easy to have him warmed up and ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 12:20 AM) I hate this but I am jealous of the Cubs right now and all their hitting prospects. they are starting to do thing right over there while we still suck Was thinking the same last night. I remember laughing at the "they can just trade hitting for pitching"...oh man, i'd give up whatever for a young hitter who doesn't suck the life out of me as I watch them play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Oh my. If you guys just saw what Castro did..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 07:25 PM) Oh my. If you guys just saw what Castro did..... What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 He booted a tailor-made DP ball up the middle and let in two runs to give the Twins an early lead...10 errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 It sucks that the cubs basically cheated to acquire all of these hitters. It's BS. Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) It sucks that the cubs basically cheated to acquire all of these hitters. It's BS. Truth I'll buy that for Rizzo but who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 So after making a bad error, and quitting on a play, Joe Maddon puts Starlin Castro in the line up the next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 10:15 AM) I'll buy that for Rizzo but who else? Yeah I don't get that either, unless he thinks intentionally sucking for 5 years is cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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