One thing is for sure....20 years from now people will chuckle at how bad of a manager Robin Ventura was, and how ridiculous it was he got the job and how long he kept it.

Tell you what is sadder Sox will probably hire another ex Sox player with no experience to replace him.

They cant hire Konerko or Thome where things stand right now. That would be career suicide for Hahn. Hes supposed to be smarter than that.

you know it's BAD when soxtalkers are calling for Beckham to get more playing time. Sign of the apocalypse right there.

The Sox can fire Ventura and it be completely justified. That being said, is there a real chance that this team just isn't really that good? Many teams have looked great on paper before and then have failed to live up to expectations, this might be what the Sox truly are. Aside from Abreu, is there really anyone in this line up who scares opposing pitchers? Honestly I don't think so.

 

Long story short, I'm not sure a manager change will get this team going. I won't blame them if they try it but overall this team might just not be any damn good.

Fire Robin. Cooper interim rest of season. Fun times watching press conferences with crabby Coop! Just do it. This team is going nowhere. Robin will be fine. He's no dummy. He knows he's been lousy albeit with lousy teams. Nobody can win with bad defense and no bullpen (til this year). Put him out of his misery and give him some other job in the organization.

I don't know if blood is the answer.

 

What's baffling to me is the organizational mindset to not be tough outs. We just give them away. Why not try grinding out ABs the first time through the order.

Sucks to be so excited for the season to only suck so bad that your manager should be fired. Shouldn't of been hired to begin with.

I really liked Robin as a player but he has no business managing at all. Time to let him go and kick start this squad hopefully.

There's nothing worse than having your team be dead by May.

Why wait another month when there will be absolutely no hope after?

They need to make a change now while the slimmest of chances still exist.

There's nothing worse than having your team be dead by May.

Why wait another month when there will be absolutely no hope after?

They need to make a change now while the slimmest of chances still exist.

 

The 1983 White Sox started 12-15 and won 99 games.

 

Here's a link to a little more about that start. Take a look; it might help you sleep a little better tonight:

http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/5/4/42989...ok-back-at-1983

I don't know if blood is the answer.

 

What's baffling to me is the organizational mindset to not be tough outs. We just give them away. Why not try grinding out ABs the first time through the order.

 

My thoughts exactly. When a hitter sees more than 5 pitches it is news worthy. The hitting philosophy is such that they swing at the first strike they see. This is where you get hawks new s***ty mantra how shifts are killing the sox. That is because the other teams scout players and game plan around them. The white sox swing at anything close regardless of the count.

Edited May 2, 201510 yr by Harry Chappas

The 1983 White Sox started 12-15 and won 99 games.

 

Here's a link to a little more about that start. Take a look; it might help you sleep a little better tonight:

http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/5/4/42989...ok-back-at-1983

 

 

Great, something that happens once every 50-100 years...and do you think Ventura will likewise make the Hall of Fame as the manager of that team eventually did.

 

Theres the 2005 Astros (15-30) and a few other examples. Anything's possible, even now...but likely?

My thoughts exactly. When a hitter sees more than 5 pitches it is news worthy. The hitting philosophy is such that they swing at the first strike they see. This is where you get hawks new s***ty mantra how shifts are killing the sox. That is because the other teams scout players and game plan around them. The white sox swing at anything close regardless of the count.

 

Other teams also are willing to bunt for base hits with their 2-5 hitters and/or go the other way.

 

How many times do Sox hitters adjust for game situations with a modified approach?

Great, something that happens once every 50-100 years...and do you think Ventura will likewise make the Hall of Fame as the manager of that team eventually did.

 

Theres the 2005 Astros (15-30) and a few other examples. Anything's possible, even now...but likely?

 

No one said likely. If you prefer to complain ad infinitum...it's your right. But it's May 2 and the team is four games under. A little frustrating, but it doesn't make me want to chuck the season. And for what it's worth, the sarcasm and negativity toward other posters is why more people don't post more often.

No one said likely. If you prefer to complain ad infinitum...it's your right. But it's May 2 and the team is four games under. A little frustrating, but it doesn't make me want to chuck the season. And for what it's worth, the sarcasm and negativity toward other posters is why more people don't post more often.

 

Toughen up as he correctly noted it's the rare team that turns it around like that. More likely is they just stink. That said, keep posting we need new blood.

Toughen up as he correctly noted it's the rare team that turns it around like that. More likely is they just stink. That said, keep posting we need new blood.

 

Really? Don't throw something out as fact without backing it up. It's like Fox Sox News.

 

The initial response to my post said a turnaround happens "every 50 to 100 years," then he added a couple more recent examples. Even the '83 Sox is but 32 years ago...a long way from 50 or 100. And we're not talking 2-22 here...the team is four games under.

 

I recall offhand a recent Tampa Bay team that sucked its way through April and contended. Colorado Rockies? Anyone with the resources to compare April MLB records with final records? I did a cursory Google search but didn't come up with anything.

 

As for toughening up...thanks for the warm invitation to keep posting; I truly appreciate the sincerity. Truth is, nearly every post I've made...mostly factual like this one...receives a personal jab or insult. Life's too short. Soxtalk is on my "regular" online visits, particularly around deadline times, because some folks here consolidate real news sources and there are a couple insiders who share information at times (Bucket and Rock). But truth is, there are simply too many "Richards" to make it worth posting more.

Edited May 2, 201510 yr by buckweaver

So something that happened before probably half the posters here were born (including myself) is noteworthy and should make us feel better because...? I'm sorry if I offended you, seriously keep posting -- but I can't agree that something that happened once or twice in 100 years is reason for optimism.

 

A better argument would be to go through every team that was dead last in run differential on May 2nd and see how many made the playoffs or won more than 87 games. I doubt it's more than a dozen, two dozen or so at absolute most. 95% of the time if you're one of the worst 3 teams in baseball after 25 games you're not going to turn it around.

Edited May 3, 201510 yr by chitownsportsfan

Really? Don't throw something out as fact without backing it up. It's like Fox Sox News.

 

The initial response to my post said a turnaround happens "every 50 to 100 years," then he added a couple more recent examples. Even the '83 Sox is but 32 years ago...a long way from 50 or 100. And we're not talking 2-22 here...the team is four games under.

 

I recall offhand a recent Tampa Bay team that sucked its way through April and contended. Colorado Rockies? Anyone with the resources to compare April MLB records with final records? I did a cursory Google search but didn't come up with anything.

 

As for toughening up...thanks for the warm invitation to keep posting; I truly appreciate the sincerity. Truth is, nearly every post I've made...mostly factual like this one...receives a personal jab or insult. Life's too short. Soxtalk is on my "regular" online visits, particularly around deadline times, because some folks here consolidate real news sources and there are a couple insiders who share information at times (Bucket and Rock). But truth is, there are simply too many "Richards" to make it worth posting more.

 

 

i like what you wrote. ballsy. excellent come back.

 

if anything take this as an introduction by fire. i guess many posters are at their wits end, b/c of all the loosing. loosing when most of us thought it will be winning that we were looking forward to.

So something that happened before probably half the posters here were born (including myself) is noteworthy and should make us feel better because...?

 

What are the age stats of this site and should they matter? Maybe I missed the post that noted this is a board for 30 and under. If so, provide the link please. But your reply which apologizes for offending begins by being dismissive.

 

I'm sorry if I offended you, seriously keep posting -- but I can't agree that something that happened once or twice in 100 years is reason for optimism.

 

I'll live. I'll also give you a piece of advice...when you make a statement...then continue "but..." it completely negates the statement made at the start of that sentence. Also, don't use hyperbole to extol your position. If you dismiss a 30-year-old example specific to the White Sox on a White Sox board by saying it's something that happens one or twice in 100 years, but don't offer any proof...well, that's simply foolish.

 

A better argument would be to go through every team that was dead last in run differential on May 2nd and see how many made the playoffs or won more than 87 games. I doubt it's more than a dozen, two dozen or so at absolute most. 95% of the time if you're one of the worst 3 teams in baseball after 25 games you're not going to turn it around.

 

Perhaps last place run differential on May 2 IS an OK predictor. But if you throw it out there and don't do the research, please don't GUESS at statistical reality (dozen, two dozen AND 95%). And that last guess/statement...back to Fox Sox News...you got your money's worth...an opinion and a guess thrown out there as fact.

 

In my initial post in this thread, I offered an example of one of the most exciting seasons in the history of the team we come to this board to read about. I put it out there as an example of how the team we love came back from a season's beginning as bad as the one we're experiencing presently. Does it mean I'm overly, blindly optimistic? No...it means I hope what we've seen so far is not what we'll see in the five or six months ahead.

 

Back to lurking.

Edited May 3, 201510 yr by buckweaver

What are the age stats of this site and should they matter? Maybe I missed the post that noted this is a board for 30 and under. If so, provide the link please. But your reply which apologizes for offending begins by being dismissive.

 

 

 

I'll live. I'll also give you a piece of advice...when you make a statement...then continue "but..." it completely negates the statement made at the start of that sentence. Also, don't use hyperbole to extol your position. If you dismiss a 30-year-old example specific to the White Sox on a White Sox board by saying it's something that happens one or twice in 100 years, but don't offer any proof...well, that's simply foolish.

 

 

 

Perhaps last place run differential on May 2 IS an OK predictor. But if you throw it out there and don't do the research, please don't GUESS at statistical reality (dozen, two dozen AND 95%). And that last guess/statement...back to Fox Sox News...you got your money's worth...two opinions and a guess guess thrown out there as fact.

 

In my initial post in this thread, I offered an example of of one of the most exciting seasons in the history of the team we come to this board to read about. I put it out there as an example of how the team we love came back from a season's beginning as bad as the one we're experiencing presently. Does it mean I'm overly, blindly optimistic? No...it means I hope what we've seen so far is not what we'll see in the five or six months ahead.

 

Back to lurking.

 

it is ashame that this board will loose a, what appears to be a good poster.

 

i hope you reconsider.

Really? Don't throw something out as fact without backing it up. It's like Fox Sox News.

 

The initial response to my post said a turnaround happens "every 50 to 100 years," then he added a couple more recent examples. Even the '83 Sox is but 32 years ago...a long way from 50 or 100. And we're not talking 2-22 here...the team is four games under.

 

I recall offhand a recent Tampa Bay team that sucked its way through April and contended. Colorado Rockies? Anyone with the resources to compare April MLB records with final records? I did a cursory Google search but didn't come up with anything.

 

As for toughening up...thanks for the warm invitation to keep posting; I truly appreciate the sincerity. Truth is, nearly every post I've made...mostly factual like this one...receives a personal jab or insult. Life's too short. Soxtalk is on my "regular" online visits, particularly around deadline times, because some folks here consolidate real news sources and there are a couple insiders who share information at times (Bucket and Rock). But truth is, there are simply too many "Richards" to make it worth posting more.

Nellie Fox?

Nellie Fox?

Who? 98% of the people on this board weren't born when Nellie Fox played, and most of them think his number and picture should be taken off the left field fence, old man!

 

Well played!

No one said likely. If you prefer to complain ad infinitum...it's your right. But it's May 2 and the team is four games under. A little frustrating, but it doesn't make me want to chuck the season. And for what it's worth, the sarcasm and negativity toward other posters is why more people don't post more often.

 

 

It's very simple then. We have the same HOF manager that got us to the playoffs in 1983 and I'll be perfectly content to let the season play out and not feel another year of healthy Sale and Abreu was wasted "doing the right thing" by our manager.

 

If JR wants to run this franchise into the ground out of misguided loyalty, it's his legacy on the line.

 

I personally tend to believe he's a smarter businessperson than that.

Edited May 3, 201510 yr by caulfield12

It's very simple then. We have the same HOF manager that got us to the playoffs in 1983 and I'll be perfectly content to let the season play out and not feel another year of healthy Sale and Abreu was wasted "doing the right thing" by our manager.

 

If JR wants to run this franchise into the ground out of misguided loyalty, it's his legacy on the line.

 

I personally tend to believe he's a smarter businessperson than that.

 

I actually agree with this...if things don't change in 2-3 weeks. Tough to make the call so early in the season, though you can argue a look at last year as well.

 

I wasn't defending Ventura; I liked him as a player and never have as a manager. I'd be happy if the Sox hired Ozzie or (preferably) Gardenhire.

Most of us are on the same page with RV. He is NOT an MLB manager. JR loves him as a person so they took a chance on him. The fact that we are 4 years in and he is still this bad says something. JR is too loyal. He will not fire RV in the middle of the season (which is a mistake IMO). Gardy is available, Ron Washington is available. Hell, Ozzie Guillen is available. All three are waaaayy better than Robin!!!