http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0625-story.html

There is stuff in there about shark hearing his name going through the rumor mill again. But also a small snippet saying the sox are willing to part with Ramirez. Honestly I really wished he was traded in the past off season to sell high on his value he had but now the Sox might be stuck with him for the year.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0625-story.html

There is stuff in there about shark hearing his name going through the rumor mill again. But also a small snippet saying the sox are willing to part with Ramirez. Honestly I really wished he was traded in the past off season to sell high on his value he had but now the Sox might be stuck with him for the year.

If someone wants AR he needs to go. He is not part of the future anyway.

Edited June 26, 201510 yr by Soxfest

Right now, I think the best thing for the Sox is to give AR a few days off, then see if that helps clear his mind and hopefully you get him playing like he used to. Its really unfortunate cause we would have gotten something pretty nice for him a year ago or even at the deadline, now less likely we get a whole lot for him. Come on AR, hit, hit hit. That also means, if you plan on contending next year and you can't get a lot of value for him (and you don't have anyone you plan on giving those at bats too, you might not be better off moving him and might actually be better off taking his option...presuming front office has confidence in him rebounding).

 

You could also just move him, take what you want, and use it to give both Sanchez and Micah plenty of at bats (see if Sanchez can play SS and how he can hit over course of a full season and get Johnson major league coaching at 2B and also time to continue to develop his bat). If you do that, by the end of the year, we should have a much better idea regarding Sanchez / Johnson's future.

"willing to part" - good lord is that an understatement (at least it should be).

They need to be willing to part with everyone except Sale, Abreu, Quintana and Rodon, if not even some of those.

Remember when people said the Mets were willing to part with Syndergaard in exchange for Alexi

Right now, I think the best thing for the Sox is to give AR a few days off, then see if that helps clear his mind and hopefully you get him playing like he used to. Its really unfortunate cause we would have gotten something pretty nice for him a year ago or even at the deadline, now less likely we get a whole lot for him. Come on AR, hit, hit hit. That also means, if you plan on contending next year and you can't get a lot of value for him (and you don't have anyone you plan on giving those at bats too, you might not be better off moving him and might actually be better off taking his option...presuming front office has confidence in him rebounding).

 

You could also just move him, take what you want, and use it to give both Sanchez and Micah plenty of at bats (see if Sanchez can play SS and how he can hit over course of a full season and get Johnson major league coaching at 2B and also time to continue to develop his bat). If you do that, by the end of the year, we should have a much better idea regarding Sanchez / Johnson's future.

Unfortunately, doing that would have left the white sox such a gaping hole at an important position that making that move would be tantamount to calling 2015 a rebuilding year. In that case it would have made no sense to do things like sign players who received qualifying options. Oops.

Duh, they would love to give him up.

Remember when people said the Mets were willing to part with Syndergaard in exchange for Alexi

 

 

You have to make deals that make sense at the time. Even now who replaces Alexei if traded? I do expect the Sox will listen to offers. Now if Tim Anderson is ready or we are willing to put up with a season or two of youthful mistakes ok otherwise wait. But, don't trade just for the sake of some move so complainers can be placated. Heck we could see this team torn apart every year they don't win the world series if you bow to the demands of some rabid fans. One I do think might get offered around is John Danks. But, we know his contratc will be an albatross

Remember when people said the Mets were willing to part with Syndergaard in exchange for Alexi

 

They never offered Syndergaard

You have to make deals that make sense at the time. Even now who replaces Alexei if traded? I do expect the Sox will listen to offers. Now if Tim Anderson is ready or we are willing to put up with a season or two of youthful mistakes ok otherwise wait. But, don't trade just for the sake of some move so complainers can be placated. Heck we could see this team torn apart every year they don't win the world series if you bow to the demands of some rabid fans. One I do think might get offered around is John Danks. But, we know his contratc will be an albatross

 

See, this is where you are wrong, it isnt about complainers. It is about getting whatever value you can out of a drastically underperforming player in the last year of his contract. What does holding on to him accomplish? The mistakes he is making are worse than a youthful mistakes, he should know and play better.

 

Tim Anderson probably wouldnt come up, i could see them going with beckham or sanchez the rest of the way. Regardless, Alexei's contract and play are both very heavy albatrosses on the white sox this season. This makes all the sense in the world, the Sox arent going to have Alexei at SS next season

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

Yea there was an off season thread where many on here didn't want Alexei to go . But i know I thought it was the ideal time to trade him

Me and another poster or two have been saying it since the offseason to sell high on him. He is now the definition of one year too late.

Trading Alexei right now is probably a bad idea. First, he's at a low value-wise. Second, who's going to play? Saladino? Sanchez? Beckham? Some combination of them? I'd expect similar offensive results, maybe worse, small chance of better, and none of them will be the fielder Alexei is even in a down year.

 

Better to let him perhaps snap out of it, build his value back up, and move him in the offseason when other plans can be put into play.

 

Only exception is, if there is another trade or same trade where a decent replacement SS can come in. Even then, probably not a good value proposition at this time.

Me and another poster or two have been saying it since the offseason to sell high on him. He is now the definition of one year too late.

It would have been throwing the season then. A team cannot expect to content without a solid shortstop. Any idea of trading him was gone when they traded for Shark. They could have traded everyone before that but not after.

Trading Alexei right now is probably a bad idea. First, he's at a low value-wise. Second, who's going to play? Saladino? Sanchez? Beckham? Some combination of them? I'd expect similar offensive results, maybe worse, small chance of better, and none of them will be the fielder Alexei is even in a down year.

 

Better to let him perhaps snap out of it, build his value back up, and move him in the offseason when other plans can be put into play.

 

Only exception is, if there is another trade or same trade where a decent replacement SS can come in. Even then, probably not a good value proposition at this time.

Alexei Ramirez is unmovable by the Chicago White Sox in terms of trades this offseason because based on this season there is ~0% chance that his expensive $10 million option will be picked up. Based on this season, even if he finished it well Alexei Ramirez would have his option year bought out for $1 million and will become a free agent. He will get a much smaller deal than that as a free agent next year from someone.

 

Basically if the White Sox want to get anything for Alexei Ramirez, even a small bit of salary savings, they must move him now.

Unfortunately, doing that would have left the white sox such a gaping hole at an important position that making that move would be tantamount to calling 2015 a rebuilding year. In that case it would have made no sense to do things like sign players who received qualifying options. Oops.

Depends. Ramirez has significant value so you could have traded him near the deadline and then tried to add someone like Jimmy Rollins. Note, I am not saying Jimmy Rollins is doing all that great, just using an example of him who would have been a fine replacement for ramirez as a temporary stop-gap (if you were trying to contend).

One of the last times it looked like he cared was the no-challenge game against Detroit towards the end of April. Whether he does (care) or not, I don't know- but that (along with the results) have made watching this team a chore.

One of the last times it looked like he cared was the no-challenge game against Detroit towards the end of April. Whether he does (care) or not, I don't know- but that (along with the results) have made watching this team a chore.

 

 

I have been thinking about that for some time.

It would have been throwing the season then. A team cannot expect to content without a solid shortstop. Any idea of trading him was gone when they traded for Shark. They could have traded everyone before that but not after.

And ironically, not trading Alexei might prove more costly than trading for Samardzija, at least opportunity cost-wise. I like Semien, but I wonder what would end up being more significant: Semien/Ravelo/Bassitt/Phegley, or the prospects they could have gotten for Alexei. Factor in the comp pick or trade return they'll get for Samardzija after/during this year, which lessens the amount of loss in that trade even further, and not getting the potential 2014 Alexei package might be the bigger loss. It's all moot anyway because, as you said, the course was set after the Samardzija trade.

You have to make deals that make sense at the time. Even now who replaces Alexei if traded? I do expect the Sox will listen to offers. Now if Tim Anderson is ready or we are willing to put up with a season or two of youthful mistakes ok otherwise wait. But, don't trade just for the sake of some move so complainers can be placated. Heck we could see this team torn apart every year they don't win the world series if you bow to the demands of some rabid fans. One I do think might get offered around is John Danks. But, we know his contratc will be an albatross

 

 

We can find a minor leaguer to replace Alexei's offensive production of .222, .243, .293, and -1 (WAR). That has to be dead last in shortstop production. Even if their not a long term solution (assuming we could find a suitor for Alexei, which obviously is a long shot given the aforesaid production).

We can find a minor leaguer to replace Alexei's offensive production of .222, .243, .293, and -1 (WAR). That has to be dead last in shortstop production. Even if their not a long term solution (assuming we could find a suitor for Alexei, which obviously is a long shot given the aforesaid production).

Yes but you'll have a hard time getting a shortstop who can match his defense, even in a down year. Also, one of the best candidates to improve that in the 2nd half may be himself.

 

Yes but you'll have a hard time getting a shortstop who can match his defense, even in a down year. Also, one of the best candidates to improve that in the 2nd half may be himself.

His defensive numbers are in the bottom 1/3 of the league, comparable to Jhonny Peralta and Jimmy Rollins. Replacing his defense and in fact upgrading his defense might not be all that hard, we could probably do that from our system right now. Those guys wouldn't hit, but neither is he.

We can find a minor leaguer to replace Alexei's offensive production of .222, .243, .293, and -1 (WAR). That has to be dead last in shortstop production. Even if their not a long term solution (assuming we could find a suitor for Alexei, which obviously is a long shot given the aforesaid production).

 

Probably not this farm system.

 

 

 

I'm sure the phone is ringing off the hook... They'll be lucky to trade him at all, the gravy would be getting anything of value in return.

I'm sure the phone is ringing off the hook... They'll be lucky to trade him at all, the gravy would be getting anything of value in return.

We should be happy if we save $1-2 million in a waiver wire trade in August.