8/4 - Rays at White Sox

[Baron]

Well that'll be the last HR of the year for Garcia

[fathom]

I'm pretty sure Hawk knows Robin is a lousy manager. He doesn't praise Robin incessantly like he always did Beckham. I bet u when Robin gets canned or resigns after the season, Hawk's schtick next year will be how Robin is a great guy but the organization is really looking forward to play under the new manager.

 

Excellent post

[Jose Abreu]

His first HR since June 8th. About 2 months.

[flavum]

Some misplaced anger tonight, but can they just call it a day on Beckham finally and give his ABs to somebody else? Enough is enough.

[Jose Abreu]

Well that'll be the last HR of the year for Garcia

At this rate, that's sadly accurate

[Jose Abreu]

Some misplaced anger tonight, but can they just call it a day on Beckham finally and give his ABs to somebody else? Enough is enough.

Agreed. Let's see Micah back up here

[greg775]

If they cant take back what they dish out too bad.

Well that's kind of a cheap shot saying he should write about how lousy Robin is doing now. It doesn't make much sense to write that Robin blows a few days after praising him.

[greg775]

Sox get clobbered, 11-3. Thanks White Sox for going 7-1 on that road trip, then immediately sucking. You players convinced everybody you were in the WC hunt to stay, so Sox didn't trade Shark and some other guys they should have dealt. Now the team will have to do all its trading in the wintertime and will just get some dumb compensation pick for Shark.

Ugh.

 

Thank you White Sox for nothing. How you guys won all four from Cleveland and three of four from Boston is one of life's great mysteries. I know those teams suck but it still makes no sense you'd go 7-1 right before the trade deadline.

[greg775]

Well that'll be the last HR of the year for Garcia

No offense to Avi, but boy, that was the definition of a meaningless home run. With the score, 11-2. I don't know how he went down and golfed that into the stands.

I miss the lift and pull days when we had a lot of guys hit home runs. I don't miss the double plays, though. Those sucked.

[Panerista]

Sox get clobbered, 11-3. Thanks White Sox for going 7-1 on that road trip, then immediately sucking. You players convinced everybody you were in the WC hunt to stay, so Sox didn't trade Shark and some other guys they should have dealt. Now the team will have to do all its trading in the wintertime and will just get some dumb compensation pick for Shark.

Ugh.

 

Thank you White Sox for nothing. How you guys won all four from Cleveland and three of four from Boston is one of life's great mysteries. I know those teams suck but it still makes no sense you'd go 7-1 right before the trade deadline.

This season is over. Time to rebuild. I know it won't happen, but it needs to. The Sox are multiple seasons behind.

[caulfield12]

Only the hapless Braves and White Sox below 24,000 tonight in attendance....

 

 

White Sox with 18,499 (bump up by 2000 from last night partly due to Sale/Archer?)

Atlanta 18411

 

Would the attendance really be worse if we'd dealt Samardzija?

 

Det 35039

Pitt 34993

Phil 28733

Cincy 25969

Wash 26112 (that's disappointing for them in a close playoff race)

Nyy 48522

Tor 26504

Miami 23822

 

[Knackattack]

Missed this game, what was up with Sale? Did he look like Boston with good stuff just not great control? I hope they give him a little rest and give EJ his next start or something.

[greg775]

Only the hapless Braves and White Sox below 24,000 tonight in attendance....

 

 

White Sox with 18,499 (bump up by 2000 from last night partly due to Sale/Archer?)

Atlanta 18411

 

Would the attendance really be worse if we'd dealt Samardzija?

 

Det 35039

Pitt 34993

Phil 28733

Cincy 25969

Wash 26112 (that's disappointing for them in a close playoff race)

Nyy 48522

Tor 26504

Miami 23822

 

Only way attendance would grow is if Sox built on that 7-1 road trip and were smoking through this current homestand instead of going 1-4. We should have traded Shark back when I was chirping about trading him. When the team was really sucking in May or June when I was calling for us to trade all the guys we acquired last offseason. I hope the fans boo tomorrow if we suck again. Boo them out of town.

 

[greg775]

Missed this game, what was up with Sale? Did he look like Boston with good stuff just not great control? I hope they give him a little rest and give EJ his next start or something.

His pitches were screaming, "hit me" again at inopportune times.

[Flash Tizzle]

Sox get clobbered, 11-3. Thanks White Sox for going 7-1 on that road trip, then immediately sucking. You players convinced everybody you were in the WC hunt to stay, so Sox didn't trade Shark and some other guys they should have dealt. Now the team will have to do all its trading in the wintertime and will just get some dumb compensation pick for Shark.

Ugh.

 

Thank you White Sox for nothing. How you guys won all four from Cleveland and three of four from Boston is one of life's great mysteries. I know those teams suck but it still makes no sense you'd go 7-1 right before the trade deadline.

It was terrible timing for a timid group of front office personnel. 2015 will be known for the 7-1 stretch before the deadline. because now, with Sharks upcoming compensation pick, we'll be closely monitoring who is selected and how they progress. We cannot draft failures with this organization. Every early pick has to hit and I'm going to have high expectations on our Front Office to produce. I mean I always read it here prior to the deadline, "sox dont need to trade Shark because they'll receive compensation." Well, I can't wait to see how we'll use it.

Edited August 5, 2015 by Flash Tizzle

[GreenSox]

I have a feeling Ozzie Guillen will be the manager of next year's team. I also think it's likely that Buehrle signs a one year deal here, or in St. Louis.

That would be a cynical, give the fans the finger move from Reinsdorf. Maybe they can bring Ozzie favs Wise, Cintron, Owens, and Kotsay

Edited August 5, 2015 by GreenSox

[Lip Man 1]

Just responding to some of the posts I read here tonight:

 

"Robin Ventura's managerial career is over in two months."

My response is I wouldn't bet the house on that. Robin is still very well liked by JR and I don't need to explain how much that counts in the organization. Plus he's under contract through next year. JR does not like to pay people not to manage. And of course if the Sox fired Robin that would make Kenny look bad. He hired him and had to talk him into it. This organization does not like to admit mistakes.

 

"I'd still like Leyland or LaRussa. If they won't do it, Piniella. Of course I'd love Ozzie, but his mouth ruined possibilities of that."

Leyland is 73 he's not coming back. Tony is already turning the D-backs around as president. Piniella is also older and has no desire to return. As far as Ozzie, he quit on the team in 2011, b****ed and moaned about his salary and contract. Insulted the fan base numerous times (remember his comments about the fans not liking his lineups? Or how about the infamous "pissing on statues" comment?) If Ozzie was the last manager on Earth, I'd say no thanks.

 

As far as going 7-1 right before the trading deadline all I can say is that's typical White Sox luck if you look at the history of the franchise.

 

Finally some were asking for a Micah Johnson return. He's currently on the DL (yet again) at Charlotte with left hamstring issues if I remember right. That marks the second straight year he's had leg issues. Running is his game...if he can't run basically he's useless. Could just be an unlucky guy who can not stay healthy.

 

Mark

Edited August 5, 2015 by Lip Man 1

[Jose Abreu]

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 3m3 minutes ago

Chris Sale: "I feel fine. My arm feels good, my body feels good, I feel loose. It's just not showing up. I don't know what it is." #WhiteSox

[caulfield12]

Just responding to some of the posts I read here tonight:

 

"Robin Ventura's managerial career is over in two months."

My response is I wouldn't bet the house on that. Robin is still very well liked by JR and I don't need to explain how much that counts in the organization. Plus he's under contract through next year. JR does not like to pay people not to manage. And of course if the Sox fired Robin that would make Kenny look bad. He hired him and had to talk him into it. This organization does not like to admit mistakes.

 

"I'd still like Leyland or LaRussa. If they won't do it, Piniella. Of course I'd love Ozzie, but his mouth ruined possibilities of that."

Leyland is 73 he's not coming back. Tony is already turning the D-backs around as president. Piniella is also older and has no desire to return. As far as Ozzie, he quit on the team in 2011, b****ed and moaned about his salary and contract. Insulted the fan base numerous times (remember his comments about the fans not liking his lineups? Or how about the infamous "pissing on statues" comment?) If Ozzie was the last manager on Earth, I'd say no thanks.

 

As far as going 7-1 right before the trading deadline all I can say is that's typical White Sox luck if you look at the history of the franchise.

 

Finally some were asking for a Micah Johnson return. He's currently on the DL (yet again) at Charlotte with left hamstring issues if I remember right. That marks the second straight year he's had leg issues. Running is his game...if he can't run basically he's useless. Could just be an unlucky guy who can not stay healthy.

 

Mark

 

If you can't count on Johnson (second consecutive year with second half hamstring issues and he hasn't run nearly as much as 2013), then you've got 3b, 2b, rf and c that need to be upgraded assuming they'll stick with LaRoche and Ramirez.

 

You have Quintana and Sale as your main trade chips and are looking at a loss of roughly 4000-4500 per game season tickets...going off the fact they were up about 2000 over 2014.

 

Not a great position to be in...and then trading Montas or Tim Anderson would look like they were abandoning the youth movement again (not to mention holding onto them at the deadline).

 

Maybe you can live with one of Saladino and Sanchez but probably not both in the long-term. Let's just say we won't sell any ticket packages with a projected line-up having both of them starting in 2016.

Edited August 5, 2015 by caulfield12

[zenryan]

Go check out emptyseatsgalore on Twitter and you'll see how bogus those attendance numbers are. Teams are either passing out freebies or selling tickets for cheap to ticket brokers to get those figures. I doubt there are that many no shows per game

[BigHurt3515]

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 3m3 minutes ago

Chris Sale: "I feel fine. My arm feels good, my body feels good, I feel loose. It's just not showing up. I don't know what it is." #WhiteSox

 

Maybe it is your catcher big guy

[Lip Man 1]

Been trying to think of a way to sum up the Sox organization the last 10 years. I can't do it in one sentence but these come close:

 

"One step forward...two steps back."

"Loyalty without Accountability"

"When in doubt, blame the fans"

 

It's a shame that another summer has been flushed right down the toilet. When all is said and done it'll be six of the last nine of them.

 

Beyond sad now.

 

Mark

[caulfield12]

Been trying to think of a way to sum up the Sox organization the last 10 years. I can't do it in one sentence but these come close:

 

"One step forward...two steps back."

"Loyalty without Accountability"

"When in doubt, blame the fans"

 

It's a shame that another summer has been flushed right down the toilet. When all is said and done it'll be six of the last nine of them.

 

Beyond sad now.

 

Mark

 

 

Hope Doesn't Float

 

To be more precise, five out of the last seven seasons, with only the 2012 team having a realistic chance over the final two weeks.

 

2011 (Dunn) and the first two months of 2015 were incredibly frustrating for fans who had high hopes after those seemingly productive offseasons. The defensive letdowns, baserunning and fundamentals/execution have been amongst the worst of any recent Sox clubs. To top it off, Sale and Rodon are scuffling and Samardzija's still on the roster.

 

I'm not sure what's more depressing, the Sox or the current state of presidential politics...

[captain54]

. As far as Ozzie, he quit on the team in 2011, b****ed and moaned about his salary and contract. Insulted the fan base numerous times (remember his comments about the fans not liking his lineups? Or how about the infamous "pissing on statues" comment?) If Ozzie was the last manager on Earth, I'd say no thanks.

 

 

Mark

 

That was four years ago and I think most fans' memory is probably a little short in that respect. Remember, Robin was the Anti-Ozzie, and there was gonna be a newer, happier franchise once Ozzie was gone.. Well, it hasn't exactly turned out that way…

 

Yes, Robin has 1 year left on his contract, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Reinsdorf is a smart enough business man, though loyal, to ease Robin out replacing him with Ozzie next year, if it meant a possible uptick in ST sales for 2016... True.. Ozzie doesn't know when to shut up, but neither did DaCoach and the DaCoach is still one popular guy in Chicago..why? because Chicago fans are big and boisterous themselves with their opinions..

 

I'm not saying Ozzie is the best choice to replace Robin.. But he certainly would be a great choice to maybe generate some interest in this franchise that continues toward irrelevancy in this town..

 

 

[caulfield12]

That was four years ago and I think most fans' memory is probably a little short in that respect. Remember, Robin was the Anti-Ozzie, and there was gonna be a newer, happier franchise once Ozzie was gone.. Well, it hasn't exactly turned out that way…

 

Yes, Robin has 1 year left on his contract, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Reinsdorf is a smart enough business man, though loyal, to ease Robin out replacing him with Ozzie next year, if it meant a possible uptick in ST sales for 2016... True.. Ozzie doesn't know when to shut up, but neither did DaCoach and the DaCoach is still one popular guy in Chicago..why? because Chicago fans are big and boisterous themselves with their opinions..

 

I'm not saying Ozzie is the best choice to replace Robin.. But he certainly would be a great choice to maybe generate some interest in this franchise that continues toward irrelevancy in this town..

 

This is the equivalent of taking Donald Trump completely serious as a legitimate candidate...when both he and Ozzie are mostly just entertainers now.

 

Veeck might have tried it, but it won't happen with KW around.

 

Then again, JR bringing Guillen back might force Kenny to resign out of pride.