We're gonna need to focus on defense first than before hitting.

 

Might be more realistic than adding 2-4 mashers to the lineup.

There have been posts about Avi Garcia whether he could hit or not. I have compiled the following stats to show how he compares to other 1st year hitters.

The problem I have is Garcia is not a rookie. This is his 1st full year but he may have been around long enough to be able to figure it out or not.

 

LET THE COMMENTS BEGIN.

 

 

 

JOE DIMAGGIO

1936 22 Yankees 138 637 132 206 44 15 29 0 125 24 0 39 3 - 4 8 .323 .352 .576

 

TED WILLIAMS

1939 21 Red Sox 149 565 131 185 44 11 31 2 145 107 6 64 3 - 2 10 .327 .436 .609

 

FRANK ROBINSON

1956 21 Redlegs 152 572 122 166 27 6 38 0 83 64 7 95 8 4 20 14 .290 .379 .558

 

 

CARL YAZ

1961 22 Red Sox 148 583 71 155 31 6 11 0 80 50 3 96 2 5 3 19 .266 .324 .396

 

 

EDGAR MARTINEZ

1987 24 Mariners 13 43 6 16 5 2 0 0 5 2 0 5 0 0 1 0 .372 .413 .581

1988 25 Mariners 14 32 0 9 4 0 0 0 5 4 0 7 1 1 0 0 .281 .351 .406

1989 26 Mariners 65 171 20 41 5 0 2 0 20 17 1 26 2 3 3 3 .240 .314 .304

 

MIGUEL CABRERA

2003 20 Marlins 87 314 39 84 21 3 12 0 62 25 3 84 4 1 2 12 .268 .325 .468

 

 

JOSE ALTUVE

2011 21 Astros 57 221 26 61 10 1 2 0 12 5 0 29 5 1 2 5 .276 .297 .357

 

 

MANNY RAMIREZ

1993 21 Indians 22 53 5 9 1 0 2 0 5 2 0 8 0 0 0 3 .170 .200 .302

1994 22 Indians 91 290 51 78 22 0 17 0 60 42 4 72 0 4 0 6 .269 .357 .521

 

DUSTIN PEDROIA

2006 BOS AL 31 89 5 17 27 4 0 2 7 7 0 7 0 1 .191 .258 .303 .561 1.13

2007 BOS AL 139 520 86 165 230 39 1 8 50 47 1 42 7 1 .317 .380 .442 .823 0.93

2008 BOS AL 157 653 118 213 322 54 2 17 83 50 1 52 20 1 .326 .376 .493 .869 1.04

 

 

AVI GARCIA

Year Team LG G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS GO/AO

2012 DET AL 23 47 7 15 15 0 0 0 3 3 1 10 0 2 .319 .373 .319 .692 2.29

2013 DET AL 30 83 12 20 31 3 1 2 10 4 0 21 0 1 .241 .273 .373 .646 2.54

2013 CWS AL 42 161 19 49 72 4 2 5 21 5 0 38 3 2 .304 .327 .447 .775 1.58

2013 [+] 2 teams - 72 244 31 69 103 7 3 7 31 9 0 59 3 3 .283 .309 .422 .731 1.86

2014 CWS AL 46 172 19 42 71 8 0 7 29 14 1 44 4 1 .244 .305 .413 .718 1.82

2015 CWS AL 146 547 65 139 199 17 2 13 59 34 3 141 7 7 .254 .305 .364 .669 1.54

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great, we know Avi isn't a Hall of Famer. Seriously?

The 1964 sox won 99 games with tremendous pitching and hardly any hitting. Maybe that could work again.

Defense too. Sox outfield defense is rancid. Trayce playing center would help a lot

They are signed to great deals, absolutely. That works in the Sox favor on what they could get back from other teams.

 

Now, I don't think the Sox will do this. They'll try to craft some scenario where a 2016 team has a shot to surprise...and they'll probably fail again.

Yep

Now they could continue to build will still having a shot to surprise. But that would require trading, Quintama, Sale or Eaton. The Sox don't do such things. They're more likely to trade Trayce, the 2 johnsons and Fulmer for Todd Frazier and loudly proclaim we can dream again.

One thing just came to mind... I could really see the team making a QO to Samardjiza, who then walks. Then a trade of Quintana for their cornerstone 3B or C, plus a lot more pieces.

 

Then the coup de grace... The re-signing of Mark Buehrle.

Southside,

my point was not to compare him to a HOF. It was to show not even HOF start out great. Most did, but not all. I just chose exceptional ones. You could look up others as well.

 

PETE ROSE

1963 22 Reds 157 623 101 170 25 9 6 0 41 55 0 72 6 6 5 8 .273 .334 .371

1964 23 Reds 136 516 64 139 13 2 4 1 34 36 0 51 3 1 2 6 .269 .319 .326

 

Avi may need some seasoing.

The thought did cross my mind yesterday when I said they could trade both Sale and Quintana, to bring Buehrle back. It would be a very White Soxy thing to do.

 

Buehrle, Rodon, Johnson, Danks, and another veteran or young guy, with Fulmer knocking on the door.

 

It would be outside the box, but baseball is weird. Sometimes things work that don't make any sense on the surface.

One thing just came to mind... I could really see the team making a QO to Samardjiza, who then walks. Then a trade of Quintana for their cornerstone 3B or C, plus a lot more pieces.

 

Then the coup de grace... The re-signing of Mark Buehrle.

 

I'm for that on a multi-year deal (he slides into 5 spot when Danks is gone in 2017) assuming he doesn't get a QO. If he receives one, pass.

You know what would be great? Having an OF of Eaton-Thompson-Heyward. Your team defense would be leaps and bounds better.

One thing just came to mind... I could really see the team making a QO to Samardjiza, who then walks. Then a trade of Quintana for their cornerstone 3B or C, plus a lot more pieces.

 

Then the coup de grace... The re-signing of Mark Buehrle.

 

Agreed. I wouldn't hate it (assuming they get a haul for Q), and Mark signs on the cheap (relateively).

 

I honestly see Buehrle as a fairly likely scenario if Q is traded.

You know what would be great? Having an OF of Eaton-Thompson-Heyward. Your team defense would be leaps and bounds better.

 

 

You've been on the Heyward thing for awhile. No chance the Sox will be interested though.

You've been on the Heyward thing for awhile. No chance the Sox will be interested though.

 

Sox were interested this last off season before the Cardinals got him. He's one player in free agency that fits the White Sox and still is young enough to build around the core of Abreu and Eaton.

You've been on the Heyward thing for awhile. No chance the Sox will be interested though.

 

I respect the s*** out of his game and I know they were very interested last offseason. I agree it's incredibly unlikely, it would be a very welcome surprise though. I am ok with them going with FA without picks attached tho and trading. I just want the defense to get a lot better to compliment the pitching and not sacrificing as much hitting. In other words, I want the team to get close to perfect.

I love Buehrle but unless we improve the defense I could easily see that move backfiring. We all know he has the skills to pitch well without striking out a lot of guys, but I'm not sure he ever pitched with such an atrocious defense behind him. If Thompson plays over Avi though then that alone could improve it considerably.

Sox were interested this last off season before the Cardinals got him. He's one player in free agency that fits the White Sox and still is young enough to build around the core of Abreu and Eaton.

 

We are not in the same situation as then either.

Sox were interested this last off season before the Cardinals got him. He's one player in free agency that fits the White Sox and still is young enough to build around the core of Abreu and Eaton.

 

 

I know. I just think it will be way too much money.

I respect the s*** out of his game and I know they were very interested last offseason. I agree it's incredibly unlikely, it would be a very welcome surprise though. I am ok with them going with FA without picks attached tho and trading. I just want the defense to get a lot better to compliment the pitching and not sacrificing as much hitting. In other words, I want the team to get close to perfect.

 

 

I phrased it wrong. Of course they'd be interested in having Jason Heyward. I just don't see any scenario in which they pay him $160-$180 million.

I know. I just think it will be way too much money.

 

Well 6.5 WAR guys at 26 dont grow on trees.

Well 6.5 WAR guys at 26 dont grow on trees.

 

 

For sure. They also cost more on the free agent market than the White Sox have ever spent before .

For sure. They also cost more on the free agent market than the White Sox have ever spent before .

 

 

That's where you have to spend it. But they wont ofcourse. Probably just a few role players and the "all is well" speech.

For sure. They also cost more on the free agent market than the White Sox have ever spent before .

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By a factor of 2.5 or 3 times their historical biggest contract.

That's where you have to spend it. But they wont ofcourse. Probably just a few role players and the "all is well" speech.

I'd love to get Heyward, but to be fair I can't really remember the last big free agent that was worth his contract. You basically have to over-spend, and in the position we're in with all our holes it's not a good idea to over-spend. It's highly unlikely to get surplus value (or even equal value) on free agents, even (especially?) the top ones.

From Jeff Sullivan's chat today:

 

Comment From Rexdale

Of all the teams 10+ games under .500 who do like best next year?

11:26

Jeff Sullivan: A’s, then White Sox

 

Comment From Nick

What would be the best way for the White Sox to fix their 3b problem? Is Quintana and his favorable contract too much for 8 years and$100m of a 30 year old Longoria… too little for Arenado?

10:36

Jeff Sullivan: oh what the hell. sign Juan Uribe!

 

From Jeff Sullivan's chat today:

 

Comment From Rexdale

Of all the teams 10+ games under .500 who do like best next year?

11:26

Jeff Sullivan: A’s, then White Sox

 

Comment From Nick

What would be the best way for the White Sox to fix their 3b problem? Is Quintana and his favorable contract too much for 8 years and$100m of a 30 year old Longoria… too little for Arenado?

10:36

Jeff Sullivan: oh what the hell. sign Juan Uribe!

 

Just wondering. Who is Jeff Sullivan?

 

Mark