BaconOnAStick Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 We're a lock for 300 pages and nothing happening. That's impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Are we certain that wasn't a timed tweet from Nightengale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 02:46 AM) There have been some reports out there as well about some executives feel like 2015 was a true outlier season for Cespedes and your classic free agent push, and given his career numbers I seem to agree with that. Free agency is always not the optimal route to go, but I feel like with Cespedes, you will absolutely be paying for past performances and not anything close to what he is actually going to give you. Â Fowler has been a fairly consistent 2 WAR player the last 5 years and should cost as you said, nearly 70 million dollars less than Cespedes, who I'm just not sold on. Just personal preference, and I know I'm in the minority. I will also be excited if Cespedes does join the Sox, but I think it's playing with fire. Â Couldn't agree more, well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:47 PM) Couldn't agree more, well done Wow, we have a third person to agree with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 03:43 AM) I we certain that wasn't a timed tweet from Nightengale? Â lol. perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 02:50 AM) Wow, we have a third person to agree with us. Â Tony is a Cubs fan though, so that explains why he wants Fowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:46 PM) There have been some reports out there as well about some executives feel like 2015 was a true outlier season for Cespedes and your classic free agent push, and given his career numbers I seem to agree with that. Free agency is always not the optimal route to go, but I feel like with Cespedes, you will absolutely be paying for past performances and not anything close to what he is actually going to give you. Â Fowler has been a fairly consistent 2 WAR player the last 5 years and should cost as you said, nearly 70 million dollars less than Cespedes, who I'm just not sold on. Just personal preference, and I know I'm in the minority. I will also be excited if Cespedes does join the Sox, but I think it's playing with fire. Â It's worth remembering Cespedes doesn't cost a pick. That has value in and of itself. All this being said, if we're going to break the bank for the biggest contract ever, should've went for Upton IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:46 PM) There have been some reports out there as well about some executives feel like 2015 was a true outlier season for Cespedes and your classic free agent push, and given his career numbers I seem to agree with that. Free agency is always not the optimal route to go, but I feel like with Cespedes, you will absolutely be paying for past performances and not anything close to what he is actually going to give you. Â Fowler has been a fairly consistent 2 WAR player the last 5 years and should cost as you said, nearly 70 million dollars less than Cespedes, who I'm just not sold on. Just personal preference, and I know I'm in the minority. I will also be excited if Cespedes does join the Sox, but I think it's playing with fire. Â You should go check Cespedes numbers with RISP . Every year they have been very good. The guy knows how to hit with runners in scoring position no matter what his OBP has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:46 PM) There have been some reports out there as well about some executives feel like 2015 was a true outlier season for Cespedes and your classic free agent push, and given his career numbers I seem to agree with that. Free agency is always not the optimal route to go, but I feel like with Cespedes, you will absolutely be paying for past performances and not anything close to what he is actually going to give you. Â Fowler has been a fairly consistent 2 WAR player the last 5 years and should cost as you said, nearly 70 million dollars less than Cespedes, who I'm just not sold on. Just personal preference, and I know I'm in the minority. I will also be excited if Cespedes does join the Sox, but I think it's playing with fire. Â So you suspect Fowler is going to pull in something in the neighborhood of 3/$50? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 What kind of contract would Cespedes be looking at had he repeated his 2014 numbers last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:51 PM) So you suspect Fowler is going to pull in something in the neighborhood of 3/$50? I think it will be less than that. I don't think he will get more than $40 million, if that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Well, if he's really 3/$40, and Cespedes is 5/$125, and we are unwilling to go more than 3 years, I really find it odd that we haven't signed Fowler yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 03:56 AM) Well, if he's really 3/$40, and Cespedes is 5/$125, and we are unwilling to go more than 3 years, I really find it odd that we haven't signed Fowler yet. Â Fowler probably waiting to see how many teams want him after big 3 sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:53 PM) I don't see why Fowler's contract will be THAT much more than Span, especially with a pick attached. Â (Span signed for 3/31 for reference). If the Sox miss out on Cespedes, at this point, I'm ready to convince myself that Fowler at 3/40 is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Posting in the 300th page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 03:59 AM) That would be my strategy as an agent. In theory, 2-3 teams will be left out in the cold, and he's the best option now available. Â And you know my theory that he might be waiting for the Cubs to trade Soler for Odorizzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:57 PM) Fowler probably waiting to see how many teams want him after big 3 sign Think the Cubs are still kicking the tires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:50 PM) Tony is a Cubs fan though, so that explains why he wants Fowler Crap I didn't realize that. Oh, well at least it's company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 04:02 AM) Think the Cubs are still kicking the tires? Â Absolutely, Bernstein was saying on the radio yesterday they are willing to trade Soler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) If the Sox miss out on Cespedes, at this point, I'm ready to convince myself that Fowler at 3/40 is fine. Â I would be also but the middle of the order would still be a concern . No ones expressed too much concern about Frazier batting 4th because he doesn't cost anything close to what Cespedes will get but that's my biggest worry without Cespedes. Of course Abreu could get 120 RBI's with Fowler but I'd still prefer the guy who can drive in runs. That was what hurt so much last year . Get guys on and no one drove them in time and time again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) If we're giving up a draft pick for Fowler, we might as well double down and add Desmond or Kendrick. Â Why not maximize your ability to control the potential impact the same way we attempted last year losing the 2nd and 3rd rounders? Â Â Fowler/Desmond probably provides the most combined WAR, but the highest salaries to deal with. Â If you brought in Kendrick, you'd have to move Lawrie to RF/LF and/or change Melky's position as well. Â Â Of course, we're just as likely to end up with Jackson. Edited January 21, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Why do you keep mentioning Lawrie as an outfielder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) Knowing where things stand right now, I almost wish they would have just signed Kendrick, Desmond and stuck Lawrie in the outfield. Lawrie couldn't possibly be worse than Garcia out there, could he? That way, we'd have the potential for above average offensive production from every position on the field, DH would be improved with Garcia/LaRoche platooning and Saladino/Sanchez would fall into their more suitable bench roles.  To hell with it...it's to the point where you keep wasting Sale/Q/Rodon seasons and you're increasing the probability each and every season that goes by that one of them goes down to injury and then you're absolutely screwed 100%.   The thing is, all these draft picks are going to be arriving way too late to "save" the White Sox in 2019 or 2020 anyway.  And we still retain our higher first round draft pick.  I give in! Time to move on and sign a few other players to strengthen this roster for 2016. This soap opera has gone on long enough!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) Well, if he's really 3/$40, and Cespedes is 5/$125, and we are unwilling to go more than 3 years, I really find it odd that we haven't signed Fowler yet. I don't believe for a second Cespedes will get 5/$125M. I think he'll be somewhere in the 5/$100M & 5/$110M range. As for Fowler, I think 3/$42M is his cap. On an AAV basis, you're talking about a $8M max difference. For that money, I'll easily take Cespedes. People are sleeping on his defense (playing CF has hurt his value) and the floor is provides. I feel confident we'd get a 3 WAR player with Cespedes with the upside for more. Guys like Fowler are dangerous because if they slip just a little (and as a poor defender, his value relies entirely on his bat), you're looking at a guy you no longer want to start but are stuck with because they make too much money (LaRoche is a perfect example). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 07:06 PM) Why do you keep mentioning Lawrie as an outfielder? Â Thinking "just a bit outside " the box . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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