Steve9347 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 02:51 PM) If you're up for a very long read, Slate has such a piece by Michael Lewis on Daryl Morey and the development, use, successes, and failures of analytics in analyzing basketball. Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 James Harden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 1, 2017 -> 06:03 AM) James Harden. On my fantasy team. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I think I put up those numbers 2 or 3 times in NBA2K back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Even in criticizing the NBA as the "worst it's ever been" Barkley is still legitimatizing an illegitimate league. There hasn't been an honest NBA season in my lifetime and anyone says otherwise is willfully ignoring the Ewing "lottery", Donaghy and Kings-Lakers (these are just the most egregious examples) because they are sentimental from growing up with the league or are just suspending disbelief the way wrestling fans do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 1, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) Even in criticizing the NBA as the "worst it's ever been" Barkley is still legitimatizing an illegitimate league. There hasn't been an honest NBA season in my lifetime and anyone says otherwise is willfully ignoring the Ewing "lottery", Donaghy and Kings-Lakers (these are just the most egregious examples) because they are sentimental from growing up with the league or are just suspending disbelief the way wrestling fans do. lol. okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Jimmy Butler is making it really hard for the Bulls to trade him. 52 points tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 lol. okay. You can enjoy the NBA without being a rube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jan 2, 2017 -> 09:38 PM) Jimmy Butler is making it really hard for the Bulls to trade him. 52 points tonight. Absolutely hate that they are wasting his prime like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 09:22 PM) If he didn't have to throw in the cheap shot about how turrible analytics are, I'd be happy to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 2, 2017 -> 11:45 PM) Absolutely hate that they are wasting his prime like this. I just hope he can recruit like a madmen. That is the way this team can get really good...with Butler leading the charge and pulling some big time free agents. Guy is a star, but the rest of the team is so pathetic. Hoiberg is part of the problem, but the roster is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) I just hope he can recruit like a madmen. That is the way this team can get really good...with Butler leading the charge and pulling some big time free agents. Guy is a star, but the rest of the team is so pathetic. Hoiberg is part of the problem, but the roster is too. You would think that Jimmy could recruit as well anyone. He seems like he has made it to the "cool kids" table with how hollywood he has become. Lets see it work in our favor now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 JR needs to call Pax, tell him to fire Gar, fire Fred, and tell him he needs to coach the team the rest of the season. The result should show whether Pax should resume his current job, or seek employment elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) JR needs to call Pax, tell him to fire Gar, fire Fred, and tell him he needs to coach the team the rest of the season. The result should show whether Pax should resume his current job, or seek employment elsewhere. on his new years interview with David Schuster, he actually said that the roster was not athletic enough. Its one thing that we all know this, it is a completely different thing that Paxson said it. He is basically putting it on Gar I think Gar *might* get canned if this team keeps putting out these mediocre to bad efforts through january, but I dont think Hoiberg goes anywhere at least until next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) JR needs to call Pax, tell him to fire Gar, fire Fred, and tell him he needs to coach the team the rest of the season. The result should show whether Pax should resume his current job, or seek employment elsewhere. I feel that way about the GM position. Put Pax back in as GM or fire him. The Bulls started a winning pedigree with Paxson as GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) on his new years interview with David Schuster, he actually said that the roster was not athletic enough. Its one thing that we all know this, it is a completely different thing that Paxson said it. He is basically putting it on Gar I think Gar *might* get canned if this team keeps putting out these mediocre to bad efforts through january, but I dont think Hoiberg goes anywhere at least until next season. That was after Rondo said the same thing. They aren't athletic and they can't shoot 3's. How can that win? They are about to enter a stretch where they play good teams. It will be interesting to see what happens. If they can stay around .500, I would think nothing changes. If they tank, it would force them to do something. Right now that something seems to be releasing Rondo, which would be lame if that was the only response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 09:54 AM) on his new years interview with David Schuster, he actually said that the roster was not athletic enough. Its one thing that we all know this, it is a completely different thing that Paxson said it. He is basically putting it on Gar I think Gar *might* get canned if this team keeps putting out these mediocre to bad efforts through january, but I dont think Hoiberg goes anywhere at least until next season. I don't see any way Hoiberg coaches this team next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) That was after Rondo said the same thing. They aren't athletic and they can't shoot 3's. How can that win? They are about to enter a stretch where they play good teams. It will be interesting to see what happens. If they can stay around .500, I would think nothing changes. If they tank, it would force them to do something. Right now that something seems to be releasing Rondo, which would be lame if that was the only response. I do think Gar goes before Hoiberg goes. I think Hoiberg is here for the rest of the year (most likely, at least, unless of course he loses the team). Gar I could see going sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:08 PM) That was after Rondo said the same thing. They aren't athletic and they can't shoot 3's. How can that win? They are about to enter a stretch where they play good teams. It will be interesting to see what happens. If they can stay around .500, I would think nothing changes. If they tank, it would force them to do something. Right now that something seems to be releasing Rondo, which would be lame if that was the only response. The odd thing about them is that they have beaten some really good teams, so there is SOMETHING there. To me it feels like the Coach isn't getting through to the team because they seem to play hard when they feel like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) The odd thing about them is that they have beaten some really good teams, so there is SOMETHING there. To me it feels like the Coach isn't getting through to the team because they seem to play hard when they feel like it. I fully believe Hoiberg is one of the worst coaches in the association, if not the worst. He is awful. I think I'd rather have Del Negro and I long thought he was hot garbage too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:25 PM) I don't see any way Hoiberg coaches this team next year. I just dont believe JR is going to write Hoiberg a 15 million dollar check to go away, 2 years after he wrote Thibs a large check to go away. I think they will try and get through next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 02:03 PM) I fully believe Hoiberg is one of the worst coaches in the association, if not the worst. He is awful. I think I'd rather have Del Negro and I long thought he was hot garbage too. It's too early to say one way or the other. Look at the roster he has to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Fred Hoiberg might be a bad coach. Personnel is a much bigger issue though. They've drafted really poorly and added a bunch of guys that don't even fit what the HC wants to do. Hoiberg might be terrible but how could anyone tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 02:22 PM) Fred Hoiberg might be a bad coach. Personnel is a much bigger issue though. They've drafted really poorly and added a bunch of guys that don't even fit what the HC wants to do. Hoiberg might be terrible but how could anyone tell? You're right. Expecting Hoiberg to win with last year's roster and this year's roster is a bit insane. But the 2 people who thought it wasn't unreasonable are Gar and Pax. Thibs was supposed to win, and when he couldn't he had to go, and they and JR couldn't kick him enough on the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:16 PM) It's too early to say one way or the other. Look at the roster he has to work with. I fully believe Niko, Dougie, and Valentine have NBA talent. I also thought Snell had some NBA talent as well. What I saw under Hoiberg is that players have not really developed / got better. From the player development side, I haven't seen guys step up. Now it might just be, they are not good players, etc and that it is all bad drafting. I haven't paid much attention to Snell with the Bucks, but he's getting almost 30 minutes a night on a playoff team, so he can't be flat out terrible. Derrick Rose's PER is also up from 13.5 to 16.5 (not saying this is cause of Hoiberg and could just as much just be being away from Butler, etc). On the flipside, Rondo's PER went from 16.9 to 11.2. Now part of that is Rondo looks bad, but is a component coaching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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