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2 minutes ago, Lillian said:

I suppose that it all depends upon what he considers "stupid". Who knows, he might think that our suggestion of $400 Million is not just stupid, but rather Insane. Of course, Sox management hasn't suggested that they would go that far.

Yep. Exactly what I tried explaining below your post.

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39 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

God damn Phillies.  Hopefully they land Machado and then use the rest of their money on pitching.

Yeah, right now, this is the Sox' clearest path to getting a big fish.

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So maybe the next tweet we read will be: While the Phillies were serious about Harper and Machado, they spend stupid money on Yasmani Grandal.

?

Maybe another team can be the idiot left behind?

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32 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

I mean, the winning offer is likely to be considered "stupid money" regardless since it will be such a high, record breaking amount. The amount of people on this board that want either Harper or Machado are going to flip sides to the "good thing we didn't spend that amount of money on either" side after they sign with another team.

There is realistically no amount of money that would cause me to flip sides.  I want a god damn whale.

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There's been speculation that the Phillies could attempt to sign both. While I doubt any team would spend that amount on both, it was brought up to someone who works in the Phillies front office and he didn't shoot down the idea of landing both of them.

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And yes, it does seem like the biggest threats are the Yankees for Machado and the Phillies for Harper. But who knows, it's still early and different teams can and likely will emerge as favorites.

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23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

There is realistically no amount of money that would cause me to flip sides.  I want a god damn whale.

This right here is the correct take. Whale or bust.

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10 hours ago, turnin' two said:

I am all for front loading the deal to add some financial heft, but this seems batty.  Harper is great, and I'd love the Sox to sign him, but he isn't worth 50+ per season.  If he stays for the first 3 or 6 years,  it would be 3/160 or 6/315?????? That is insane.  It isn't worth it to the team.  You don't have to beat his suspected market value by 15 million per season.  In this scenario he would opt out after 3 or 6.  I would say likely after year 3, because he would still be 29 and would likely be able to command another 8-10 year deal, and if he couldn't command that deal, boy do you not want him at over 50 million for the next 3 seasons.  

The front loading is tricky with the opt outs (though remember the opt outs add value to the deal as well.  If they were doing something like this they would need to make years 1&2 attractive, 3 probably below average, then offer the opt out, then make 4&5 really attractive, with 6 below average.  Then make years 7-10 around AAV of the deal.  By doing that the Sox get some value out of years 3&6, and it should be looked at as if it were 2 separate 3 year contracts, and then a 4 year contract.  Harper gets 2 front loaded deals, and straight AAV on the back end.  So, if it is a 10/350 deal, something like 45/40/20 __OPT OUT__45/45/15__ OPT OUT__ 40/40/30/30.

That way Harper gets front loaded deals, therefore added value.  He still gets his opt outs, but the Sox get some protection.  They loading themselves up with risk averaging 50 million at all.  The AAV of the first 3 years is 35 million, though compared to a deal that is 35 across the board, it would add value, even more so compared to a backloaded or deferred deal.  The second 3 years averages the same.  The final 4 average to the same.  So the AAV would be 35.  But again, with the opt outs, you need to look at this as 3 separate contracts, with each being front loaded.  Would he opt out after 3, well, still maybe.  He would be 29, and could likely surpass 6/210 on a deal at that point.  I think, if you front load it more than that, you need to push the opt outs back.

My goal is for him to opt out in year 6 or 7. That said, I agree that you don't need to go that high on the numbers, but I was working with the number I got. Maybe something like:

45-45-40-/-55-50-40-/-40-/-25-20-15

Would be more palatable? That's 10/$375, which would still work out as the highest AAV in history (I think) while also reasonably assuring that your FA of choice (mine would be Machado) won't opt out after year 3, and will after year 7.

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57 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

There is realistically no amount of money that would cause me to flip sides.  I want a god damn whale.

Absolutely. I know this is far fetched, but if we woke up tomorrow to the headline, "White Sox sign Harper to record breaking 10 year, $480 million deal", I would be instantly excited. No part of me would be upset that we spent too much.

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4 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Absolutely. I know this is far fetched, but if we woke up tomorrow to the headline, "White Sox sign Harper to record breaking 10 year, $480 million deal", I would be instantly excited. No part of me would be upset that we spent too much.

Same.

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Cubs are going to be among the genre of teams offering a short term contract, which I think will be valuable only if harper does not see the high end long term money he is seeking.

edit: this is pure speculation on my part, I am not able to listen to what bernstein is saying.

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I’m shocked :)

I still can’t believe that people think Theo signed Darvish, Chatwood and Hamels to only put himself in a position to not be a player in this market.

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5 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

Unless he's willing to take a discount, this isn't going to happen. 

I honestly feel like the Cubs dont give a crap about the luxury tax and have a ton of money to spend. 

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3 minutes ago, fathom said:

I’m shocked :)

I still can’t believe that people think Theo signed Darvish, Chatwood and Hamels to only put himself in a position to not be a player in this market.

They certainly appear to have hardest financial road of the contenders that may buy. Their expected payroll is what, like 208 mill? This would likely push them to 240 ish range. Which, depending on the deal, could put them into huge taxes in years 2-3 of deal.

So it will be hard.

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Just now, Sockin said:

I honestly feel like the Cubs dont give a crap about the luxury tax and have a ton of money to spend. 

I think cubs will spend a lot while contenders, but when even the yankees, dodgers and red sox have shown that this latest luxury tax is a meaningful deterrent, I tend to believe no team is immune.

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I really hope the White Sox miss out on both.  The rebuild will be much more successful if they focus on upgrading the pitching staff and getting a couple of veteran character pieces to go with the kids.

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4 minutes ago, Sockin said:

I honestly feel like the Cubs dont give a crap about the luxury tax and have a ton of money to spend. 

If anything, they should spend on relievers. Their bullpen was hot garbage after Morrow went down. 

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Just now, Whitesox27 said:

If anything, they should spend on relievers. Their bullpen was hot garbage after Morrow went down. 

If they go sign Harper, they will probably use guys like Happ to flip for a closer (Diaz)

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1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said:

If anything, they should spend on relievers. Their bullpen was hot garbage after Morrow went down. 

I agree.  Ottavino might be a good target for them.

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Just now, RickinIndiana said:

I agree.  Ottavino might be a good target for them.

Andrew Miller seems like an ideal target, but I could see Britton given they’ve liked him in the past.

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